Man of Steel

[Edd Grayson]

I thought the new general Zod was a better character but a worse villain than the old. Tie.

Like I said before, Cavill and Crowe can't be compared to Reeve and Brando, but Margot Kidder > Amy Adams for me.

[Cobblepot4Mayor]

I thought the new general Zod was a better character but a worse villain than the old. Tie.

Like I said before, Cavill and Crowe can't be compared to Reeve and Brando, but Margot Kidder > Amy Adams for me.

I stand by Terence Stamp. Easily. What a superb voice he had for the character. Many great memorable lines and excellent humor against all the villainy. Zod being a two-dimensional "moustache twirling villain" was intentional as he revealed on the Superman II making of tv special. He wanted him to be purely evil and predictable and the audience's enjoyment to come out of all that. So I do hope I never see comments insulting Stamp's version of the character for being not fully rounded. Besides offending his good work it'll more serve to please him lol

Sometimes having villains who are less rounded is more interesting and enjoyable to watch. Villains I especially like are characters such as Davros in Doctor Who. He's hardly a flawed misunderstood bad guy. He's a pure lunatic ranter and that's great and refreshing to see. I don't think every bad guy should be a tragic, misunderstood figure but these days sadly you can't move for them.

[Cobblepot4Mayor]

They depress me so much that I'm not going to dwell on them, however I will say.

The Transformers are secondary characters (and I use the word "characters" with a little hesitance - because they are at best non-dimensional and at worst indistinguishable from each other)

Too much focus is spent on humans to the point that it's their movie. It's all part of this strange idea in Hollywood that the audience needs a human to relate to - even if it's human characters who are useless, irritating and non-essential to the plot

The humour in the films is wholly inappropriate for the target audience - I cringed during most of Revenge of the Fallen

Basically they are films that I would not let my child sit through...and there is something quite wrong when that is the case

The best Transformers movie for me has and always will be the 1986 animated feature film. For those who haven't watched it go see it immediately. Still has absolutely stunning animation, an amazing soundtrack (however cheesey it may sound to some) and an insane body count of character deaths that blew my young mind. My dad was pretty taken with it's edginess too as well as the soundtrack that puts the modern films to shame to the point he'd learn to play the rockin tracks on his Gibson Les Paul guitar lol Wish there was sheet music or something available for it.

[Cobblepot4Mayor]

Not all movies should be Wes Anderson quirkfests I agree, although I wouldn't personally object to a few more being so. 

However, franchise movies do not have to be as witless, incoherent and obnoxious as the live-action Transformers films.  The current spate of Marvel comic-book movies, not to mention the various non-Schumacher incarnations of Batman, and yes, even Man of Steel, are testament to that.

I echo all of Ral's criticisms and concur with colors regarding the confusion separating the Autobots and Decepticons.  If it's sometimes impossible to distinguish the 'goodies' from the 'baddies' how are you going to be able to distinguish between the members of the various factions?

The focus on the human-beings wouldn't be so bad if they weren't such an unlikeable, two-dimensional, clichéd bunch  lumbered with a stream of smug one-liners and short-lived pop-culture references masquerading as dialogue.  I won't even go into Bay's infamous and embarrassing use of racial stereotypes which he somehow manages to incorporate into extra-terrestrial robots.

If your worried about Transformers think what he's about to do to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles too.

[thecolorsblend]

The best Transformers movie for me has and always will be the 1986 animated feature film. For those who haven't watched it go see it immediately. Still has absolutely stunning animation, an amazing soundtrack (however cheesey it may sound to some) and an insane body count of character deaths that blew my young mind. My dad was pretty taken with it's edginess too as well as the soundtrack that puts the modern films to shame to the point he'd learn to play the rockin tracks on his Gibson Les Paul guitar lol Wish there was sheet music or something available for it.

Eh, after Prime bites it, I can pretty much take or leave it... mostly because the characters I knew from the show were dead by that point. Of the new characters, only Cup, Blur and Ultra Magnus caught my eye; I could take or leave all the rest. I mean, I never gave a flying $#!+ about Hotrod. Talk about a boy trying to fill a man's shoes.

[johnnygobbs]

Not all movies should be Wes Anderson quirkfests I agree, although I wouldn't personally object to a few more being so. 

However, franchise movies do not have to be as witless, incoherent and obnoxious as the live-action Transformers films.  The current spate of Marvel comic-book movies, not to mention the various non-Schumacher incarnations of Batman, and yes, even Man of Steel, are testament to that.

I echo all of Ral's criticisms and concur with colors regarding the confusion separating the Autobots and Decepticons.  If it's sometimes impossible to distinguish the 'goodies' from the 'baddies' how are you going to be able to distinguish between the members of the various factions?

The focus on the human-beings wouldn't be so bad if they weren't such an unlikeable, two-dimensional, clichéd bunch  lumbered with a stream of smug one-liners and short-lived pop-culture references masquerading as dialogue.  I won't even go into Bay's infamous and embarrassing use of racial stereotypes which he somehow manages to incorporate into extra-terrestrial robots.

If your worried about Transformers think what he's about to do to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles too.

Can it be any worse than the previous Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movies?  It's Michael Bay so it's sadly possible but the previous films have been so dire and at least the Bay version will be a big production.

[Paul (ral)]

The first TMNT movie is epic!

Oh, and Hot Rod is one of my favourite Transformers...I always wanted a Rodimus Prime figure but never got one :-(

[johnnygobbs]

The first TMNT movie is epic!

I couldn't get past the murky, incoherent cinematography and the relentlessly dark tone which I realise now was much closer to the comic-books than the TV show but at the time I felt it was unnecessarily 'adult' for a film featuring six foot pizza-loving turtles.  However, the first film was at least far superior to what came afterwards.

[Edd Grayson]

I didn't grow up with TMNT so can't really comment on it. I was a little kid in the Pokemon days 

[The Joker]

I couldn't get past the murky, incoherent cinematography and the relentlessly dark tone which I realise now was much closer to the comic-books than the TV show but at the time I felt it was unnecessarily 'adult' for a film featuring six foot pizza-loving turtles.  However, the first film was at least far superior to what came afterwards.

That's unfortunate. Being 8 years of age at the time, I thought the darker tone was refreshing. As it provided a contrast to what the Fred Wolf toon was presenting. Which was a toon that lead to me being a lifetime TMNT fan, but even back in 1990, I wasn't exactly clamoring to see the film incorporate such a lighthearted touch with the live action film. Similar to my feelings on watching the Adam West Batman series, and eventually seeing Batman in 1989.