Man of Steel

[The Dark Knight]

I know what you mean about the scenes prior to Clark donning the suit and becoming Superman. Unlike some, I thought the flashbacks merged pretty well and were paced pretty well.

Talking about comparing the films:

Give me the MOS diner scene over Superman II's any day. Depowered or not, Clark comes off as a useless sook who can't defend himself in the slightest. The conclusion of the fight in the Donner Cut makes this scene off too.

In MOS, Clark stands up for someone, shows restraint in not bashing the human - gets punched but stands firm no worries. It's a mix of public humiliation but also coming off strong. Instead of spinning a bar stool the truck is absolutely trashed. He's only targeting the truck and nothing else. He's not sliding anyone down bar tables smashing every plate, etc.

It's funny. With Batman I defend the past films with Burton. With Superman I defend the latest film and critique the past films. Goes to show old isn't always necessarily gold. It's what matches your tastes.

MOS has put me on the path to being a Superman fan. It's the first Superman movie I can say yep, I like that quite a bit.

[Edd Grayson]

^ I agree. MoS was awesome from start to finish. I hope they will manage to make a decent sequel.

[Cobblepot4Mayor]

I know what you mean about the scenes prior to Clark donning the suit and becoming Superman. Unlike some, I thought the flashbacks merged pretty well and were paced pretty well.

Talking about comparing the films:

Give me the MOS diner scene over Superman II's any day. Depowered or not, Clark comes off as a useless sook who can't defend himself in the slightest. The conclusion of the fight in the Donner Cut makes this scene off too.

In MOS, Clark stands up for someone, shows restraint in not bashing the human - gets punched but stands firm no worries. It's a mix of public humiliation but also coming off strong. Instead of spinning a bar stool the truck is absolutely trashed. He's only targeting the truck and nothing else. He's not sliding anyone down bar tables smashing every plate, etc.

It's funny. With Batman I defend the past films with Burton. With Superman I defend the latest film and critique the past films. Goes to show old isn't always necessarily gold. It's what matches your tastes.



And alternatively flashy "newness" isn't always necessarily "gold" either. It works both ways I'm afraid buddy. Some people prefer Christopher Reeve's and always will, like it or not. What's wrong with that anyway? Like you said it's a matter of taste and opinion. And it doesn't mean they'll have any less enjoyment of the new film either. I know plenty of casual Superman viewers who enjoy any film of the character despite all their differences in style. It's not a question of which movie is the best for them. It's all about entertainment and the fact it's purely the thrill of watching "Superman". I think too many comics fans spend far too much of their time these days coming up with endless (and boring) forum discussions about which is the better version in every department of said movies. It really means nothing to me if a Superman movie was made in 1978 or 1938 or the more modern (and seemingly cooler for some) age of 2013. I was born in 1988, long after Reeve debuted, and they are and always will be my favourite pictures. I think it's a great shame if in today's society newer fans are so insensitive as to not want to watch any older versions simply because of age, or because more dim witted/aggressive Nolan devotees set out to stop them like some bizarre Nazi propaganda machine. That's sad. That was never a problem for guys like me. Recently I was delighted to see some little kid's youtube video blog with his dad on the Chris Reeve Hot Toys figure. To my surprise he stated his wish for (wait for it...) a Hot Toys version of NUCLEAR MAN! His favourite villain of the films. An astonishing statement but I was delighted to see his enthusiasm for a character despised by older fans with not enough childhood amusement left in their brains. It proves it's all utter bullsh*t that older Supes movies and tv shows will never be appreciated by new audiences and so there best left forgotten. They will love them as much as any new installments.

On the subject of the Reeve films coming under fire as the earlier Batman movies did in the wake of Nolan well this does not worry me. They'll be doing just fine. Far as I can see Man of Steel didn't eradicate the memory of Christopher Reeve. And I don't believe Chris Nolan and co set out to do such a thing either. Nolan even supported the Donner version vocally at the British premiere of Man of Steel and spoke of his love for it. Even Charles Roven stated much of the new cast and crew were fans of the previous films especially Amy Adams. Through the Reeve pictures you got the quality of this new one. Isn't that to be appreciated? I believe so. I got the impression that some "fans" wanted the old films to be erased almost but it wasn't exactly a great success. Just go look at the critical opinions you disagreed with. I don't think I read one where a reviewer didn't mention how much better the Reeve films still were in certain respects. I don't think you can seriously call Man of Steel either a true masterpiece nor a classic. Great film which I personally very much enjoyed but I doubt in 15 or 20 years time critics and audiences will consider Cavill's outing a vital aspect of movie history as Reeve's. And yet here we are, over 30 years from Donner's film, still talking about that 1978 movie. The jokes always told better first time round they say lol Peace....


MOS has put me on the path to being a Superman fan. It's the first Superman movie I can say yep, I like that quite a bit.

[Edd Grayson]

What I appreciate the most about MoS that Crowe and Cavill never once made me think of Brando and Reeve, who were also great. They did it their way.

[thecolorsblend]

C4M- All due respect but that makes no sense. None. I'm sure you typed something in there but if you don't separate TDK's post into individual quotations under which you write your reply, it's a pain to figure out what you're trying to say.

[johnnygobbs]

Cobblepot4Mayor, your posts would be far easier to read if you copied and pasted the parts of the other members' posts you wanted to quote and then highlighted the text before clicking on the 'insert quote' icon from above the text panel (it's the speech-bulb icon).  You could then type your response underneath.

[The Dark Knight]

He must be Penguin's PR agent typing and clicking with flippers. 

[Cobblepot4Mayor]

Cobblepot4Mayor, your posts would be far easier to read if you copied and pasted the parts of the other members' posts you wanted to quote and then highlighted the text before clicking on the 'insert quote' icon from above the text panel (it's the speech-bulb icon).  You could then type your response underneath.

Appreciate your help. Far more considerate than the above sly comment from that Colors dude. Apologies for the confusion. Wasn't sure what I needed to do. I was eventually going to ask about it anyway.

[johnnygobbs]

Cobblepot4Mayor, your posts would be far easier to read if you copied and pasted the parts of the other members' posts you wanted to quote and then highlighted the text before clicking on the 'insert quote' icon from above the text panel (it's the speech-bulb icon).  You could then type your response underneath.

Appreciate your help. Far more considerate than the above sly comment from that Colors dude. Apologies for the confusion. Wasn't sure what I needed to do. I was eventually going to ask about it anyway.

That's cool.  I'm glad you didn't think I was being rude or condescending.    I know I struggled to get my head around the icons when I first started posting here way back when, and that others have had problems too.  Overall though, this is an extremely user-friendly site, much more so than most other forums I am familiar with (well done Ral), but as with anything, you need to know what you're doing first and that often takes time.

[thecolorsblend]

Cobblepot4Mayor, your posts would be far easier to read if you copied and pasted the parts of the other members' posts you wanted to quote and then highlighted the text before clicking on the 'insert quote' icon from above the text panel (it's the speech-bulb icon).  You could then type your response underneath.

Appreciate your help. Far more considerate than the above sly comment from that Colors dude. Apologies for the confusion. Wasn't sure what I needed to do. I was eventually going to ask about it anyway.

Hey dude, I prefaced my comment with respect, I then pointed out the problem and never once expressed or implied anything personal. If I had, somebody would've warned me (or banned me) by now. But nobody has. Simmer down.