Man of Steel

[thecolorsblend]

I understand what you mean now. It's without a doubt my favourite version of Superman ever and I wasn't even born when they first emerged lol Matter of fact my parents were dating at the time, tried to see it and ended up having to go see John Travolta in "Grease" instead! lol Because the screenings for Superman were totally packed out. I get a thrill when the comics reference the films. To be honest though the Superman comics of the nineties had very little "Donner" in them.

Eh. As far as continuity, yeah, true. But the characters had become a bit more grounded and his world less sci-fi in keeping with the movies. There is an influence there. Granted, it's nowhere near as pronounced as it was starting in, say, 2006 but the creators themselves would be the first to admit that the movies had exerted some influence. Unlike Geoff Johns though, they were still very interested in doing their own thing. Still, some Donner concepts had crept into the comics. For example, Donner invented the idea of Smallville being located in Kansas and John Byrne brought that concept into the comics in 1986. Before then, Smallville was basically a suburb of Metropolis (which is more or less how the Smallville show had it set up).

The Superman comics were in a bad state at the time of the first movie. I think interest was at an all time low so the movies brought them out of extinction. Something to be thankful for so I think it's okay to indulge in the past from time to time in the stories.

I've heard that bandied about often. And it is true that in the late 70's and early 80's, DC really only had two bona fide hits (Legion of Superheroes and Teen Titans). But I've never been prepared to believe that the entire line of Superman comics were teetering on the brink of cancellation.

I do sort of like Lex Luthor as a known bad guy as seen in the movie

I like Luthor as the renegade scientist. The huckster/used car salesman he was in the movie though... not really my thing.

On the subject of Richard Donner while he made a terrific movie I have to say I have a dislike for his attitude toward the Salkinds (who I think are entitled to more credit than they have recieved). I'm sure they were pains in the asses during filming but we never got their side of the story until the 2006 dvd boxset. For me Iyla Salkind is the "father" of the Superman movies as it was his idea to adapt them at a time when the comic book movie genre was unheard of. I think his commentary tracks on the movies were hilarious! The fact they were putting their own money into them they had every right to be concerned about diminishing resources. I think at the end of the day it was merely a clashing of different methods of filmmaking rather than Donner claiming they had no real respect for Superman and it's potential.

Now this I'll agree with. Understandably, a lot of fans took Donner's side since the Salkind camp never spoke up to defend themselves. But even when they were keeping their silence, I knew for a fact that Donner had badmouthed all of them to the international press, called them a-holes and other mean names, etc. Now, I'm of the opinion that if someone shoots his mouth off about his boss to anybody who will listen, esp knowing the boss will hear about it, deserves whatever he gets. Donner got canned, which is what he deserved.

Ah yes thanks Silver Nemesis! It was in the John Bryne comic were she designed the shield herself.

Actually, Byrne kept the idea of Jonathan and Clark designing the symbol while Martha developed the suit, both of which already existed in the canon.

[Bobthegoon89]

I think you'd better go grab yourself a chunk of Kryptonite my friend as I've just read some interesting news that might make you scream louder than Supes himself at the sight of a dead Lois Lane. Rumour has it a cast member from Superman the Movie is making a cameo appearance in Man of Steel lol Read on here:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JakeLester/news/?a=73047

Just rumour right now but if Snyder has done this he's made me a happy fanboy indeed lol Good to hear they at least haven't writ them off totally in the new version it seems. I'm betting it'll be Margot Kidder. Although they say it'll be someone more obscure.

[thecolorsblend]

I think you'd better go grab yourself a chunk of Kryptonite my friend as I've just read some interesting news that might make you scream louder than Supes himself at the sight of a dead Lois Lane. Rumour has it a cast member from Superman the Movie is making a cameo appearance in Man of Steel lol Read on here:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JakeLester/news/?a=73047

Just rumour right now but if Snyder has done this he's made me a happy fanboy indeed lol Good to hear they at least haven't writ them off totally in the new version it seems. I'm betting it'll be Margot Kidder. Although they say it'll be someone more obscure.

Jim Bowers is the one who put it out there. Steve Younis has "confirmed" it. Last I heard, it was someone who has appeared in a movie, which Bowers defined as including the serials, Superman & The Mole Men and the Reeve stuff. He pointedly left out any possibility of it being someone from Singerman (which suits me just fine). Frankly, I think the Donner stuff has had more than enough "tribute" paid to it already. If we must salute the past (and I don't see much point in that), why not throw in a Phyllis Coates cameo (or else someone who hasn't really had their due yet) and then move on?

As a side note, it kind of ticks me off when people pull little stunts like this. It's only a step away from "I know a secret and you don't, I know a secret and you don't". If you have a spoiler, post it. If you can't post it, STFU about it. "Tease" posts like that are just aggravating.

[Bobthegoon89]

I think you'd better go grab yourself a chunk of Kryptonite my friend as I've just read some interesting news that might make you scream louder than Supes himself at the sight of a dead Lois Lane. Rumour has it a cast member from Superman the Movie is making a cameo appearance in Man of Steel lol Read on here:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JakeLester/news/?a=73047

Just rumour right now but if Snyder has done this he's made me a happy fanboy indeed lol Good to hear they at least haven't writ them off totally in the new version it seems. I'm betting it'll be Margot Kidder. Although they say it'll be someone more obscure.

Jim Bowers is the one who put it out there. Steve Younis has "confirmed" it. Last I heard, it was someone who has appeared in a movie, which Bowers defined as including the serials, Superman & The Mole Men and the Reeve stuff. He pointedly left out any possibility of it being someone from Singerman (which suits me just fine). Frankly, I think the Donner stuff has had more than enough "tribute" paid to it already. If we must salute the past (and I don't see much point in that), why not throw in a Phyllis Coates cameo (or else someone who hasn't really had their due yet) and then move on?

As a side note, it kind of ticks me off when people pull little stunts like this. It's only a step away from "I know a secret and you don't, I know a secret and you don't". If you have a spoiler, post it. If you can't post it, STFU about it. "Tease" posts like that are just aggravating.

I'm not sure if your last paragraph was referring to myself or the link post I sent. If it's the former case I'm sorry. I just thought I'd send you this since it tied into what we were talking about. My sense of humour wasn't written to annoy I was just trying to have friendly "fan" chit chat.

Part of the reason forums are annoying is you can't emphasise your tone of voice correctly. Say if I jokingly criticise a scene in a Bale Batman film it doesn't mean I don't love the thing and some fans interpret it wrongly of my slating it for example. I often include things like *lol* (which I f***ing hate doing in all honesty, text language should be banned utterly) to try and inform a jokey, not at all serious tone. This clearly hasn't worked out here it may seem.

[thecolorsblend]

I think you'd better go grab yourself a chunk of Kryptonite my friend as I've just read some interesting news that might make you scream louder than Supes himself at the sight of a dead Lois Lane. Rumour has it a cast member from Superman the Movie is making a cameo appearance in Man of Steel lol Read on here:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JakeLester/news/?a=73047

Just rumour right now but if Snyder has done this he's made me a happy fanboy indeed lol Good to hear they at least haven't writ them off totally in the new version it seems. I'm betting it'll be Margot Kidder. Although they say it'll be someone more obscure.

Jim Bowers is the one who put it out there. Steve Younis has "confirmed" it. Last I heard, it was someone who has appeared in a movie, which Bowers defined as including the serials, Superman & The Mole Men and the Reeve stuff. He pointedly left out any possibility of it being someone from Singerman (which suits me just fine). Frankly, I think the Donner stuff has had more than enough "tribute" paid to it already. If we must salute the past (and I don't see much point in that), why not throw in a Phyllis Coates cameo (or else someone who hasn't really had their due yet) and then move on?

As a side note, it kind of ticks me off when people pull little stunts like this. It's only a step away from "I know a secret and you don't, I know a secret and you don't". If you have a spoiler, post it. If you can't post it, STFU about it. "Tease" posts like that are just aggravating.

I'm not sure if your last paragraph was referring to myself or the link post I sent. If it's the former case I'm sorry. I just thought I'd send you this since it tied into what we were talking about. My sense of humour wasn't written to annoy I was just trying to have friendly "fan" chit chat.

Part of the reason forums are annoying is you can't emphasise your tone of voice correctly. Say if I jokingly criticise a scene in a Bale Batman film it doesn't mean I don't love the thing and some fans interpret it wrongly of my slating it for example. I often include things like *lol* (which I f***ing hate doing in all honesty, text language should be banned utterly) to try and inform a jokey, not at all serious tone. This clearly hasn't worked out here it may seem.

Fair enough. I was referring to Bowers though. He obviously knows, and is sitting on it. If he can't or won't spill the beans, he needs to keep his damn mouth shut. Honestly, the whole thing comes off like a stunt from some attention whore rather than real news... possibly because it's a stunt from some attention whore rather than real news. Anyway. None of my annoyance is directed at you... unless you're Bowers, that is, in which I case I stand by everything I've said.

[The Dark Knight]

As long as MOS doesn't have stuff like:

1. Superman spinning the Earth backwards
2. Wiping memories via kissing
3. Superman throwing cellophane S's
4. Rebuilding/repairing objects just by looking at them

I'll be cool.

[Grissom]

Nice one Dark KNight LOL. I think we'll have to see that third trailer to have a better idea of the flow of the story but for it's my most highly aniticipated film of the year. But I'm still not going to hype it up to the point where it will not live up to those expectations.

[greggbray]

It looks good, but a bit too self-serious at this point.  Not that I want cotton candy, bad one-liners, and camp--but the feelings evoked by most of Iron Man 1 is what I'd like in a Superman film.  I'd like a hell of a good ride, with a mostly grounded story, and all of the magic realism surrounding Superman/Krypton.  For now.    This looks close--the cast looks great, but I'm tired of whispered-to-be-taken-seriously dialogue, platitudes about becoming a man, etc. etc.  It just feels like we're retreading over some already established territory either with Superman in other media, or with comic book caped heroes in general.  That said, I'm going to give it a shot, of course. 

[BatmAngelus]

So what do we think of the latest Man of Steel news?
http://popwatch.ew.com/2013/04/10/this-weeks-cover-man-of-steel/

"I'll be honest with you, there's no Kryptonite in the movie," says director Zack Snyder (300, Watchmen) Those glowing green space rocks – Superman's only crippling weakness – have turned up so often as a plot point in movies, the only fresh option was not to use it. Anyway, if you want to make an audience relate to a character, a galactic allergy isn't the way to do it.

SPOILERS

Don't expect, or worry, about huge changes to Superman's origin.  He is still sent to earth by his father Jor-El to save his life, but there are some different reasons as to the why.   In Man of Steel, children of Krypton are genetically engineered to be something specific.  Kal-El (Superman) becomes infamous for being a child that was conceived naturally, allowing him to choose his own path in life.  But it also means his existence is against the law.

http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/121477-new-info-on-man-of-steel.html

I'm cool with both points.  Regarding the Kryptonite, it's really not all that groundbreaking.  Excluding the unpublished K-Metal from Krypton story, Superman existed from 1938-1943 without any Kryptonite until the radio series introduced it.  This also isn't the first Superman movie to not have it.  Neither Superman II nor Superman IV: The Quest for Peace included Kryptonite.  If it doesn't fit the story, it shouldn't be there.  And besides, it would make defeating Zod and Faora too easy, wouldn't it?

As for the birth idea, it seems to fit into the nature vs. nurture themes that they want to explore, as well as the idea that Superman/Clark could've used his powers to conquer others (like Zod presumably will), but chose to go on his own path. 

It is much better than the "genetically engineered/predestined for greatness" premise (a la Ang Lee's Hulk and Marc Webb's The Amazing cut scenes of Spider-Man) that many are misinterpreting this to be.

[thecolorsblend]

The genetic engineering thing sounds similar to Byrne's MOS miniseries (and the World of Krypton miniseries). Seems like it's coming at the material from a different angle but there is precedent for this in the comics. I'm fine with it.

As for Kryptonite... yeah, I don't think anybody is going to miss it.