Batman 3 or Batman 5?

[CorbyTheJoker]

Which of these possible next steps in the batman series would you guys like to see more?

The 3rd installment in Burtons universe without Shumaucher coming in at all?
Or accepting the Schumaucher redesign of the series would you rather have seen his fifth most likely darker Batman?

[CorbyTheJoker]

Also from what i hear maybe Williams wouldnt be Burtons Riddler?

and Batgirl would be killed in schumauchers by Manbat, in a film with Scarecrow and Harley (jokers daughter)?

just like to see these discussed.

[GBglide]

Batman 3, no contest!

[Seantastic]

I honestly have no idea, I would have loved either, however I would still have wanted Forever due to that being great.  I don't know, hell no matter what one, I would jizz over it anyway, both had great points to them and both really intrige me.

[Slash Man]

Batman 3. With Batman Returns, we lost Harvey Dent, Alexander Knox, and for the most part, Gordon. It'd be nice if they'd get back on track with those semi-important characters.

I'd also appreciate Batman 5. I take Schumacher's word when he says he could do much better, since Forever wasn't that bad at all. He never got to deliver his dark version of Batman, and the studio interference with Batman & Robin was a bit unfair to him.

[Azrael]

Batman Forever was in many ways the "point of no return" for the Batman series (even though nowadays I quite enjoy it for what it is) and having the luxury of hindsight I prefer that the franchise crashed and put on hold with B&R. Of course I'd love Burton's Batman 3, this is the movie I wanted to see in 1995, but things turned for the better with Schumacher's Batman 5 never realized.

I see the Batman films as one long franchise anyway, even though their "continuity" was rebooted. See the Bond films. Do the Brosnan films pick up after Dalton's? Or the Craig films after Brosnan's? They are like "Legends of the Dark Knight" or "Shadow of the Bat" issues where the staff, the writers etc. change and the tone and the atmosphere changes, and the storyline doesn't have to pick after what came previously, but it's still Batman. I think there are a few aesthetic similarities (and a few nods) to justify this view. For me Batman Begins is still some sort of Batman 5, as it's the fifth Batman DVD on my shelf.

[Slash Man]

A Burton movie would be pretty straight-forward. Same Batmobile (he was last seen repairing the old one), same suit (or at least a minor variation of that), and most of all, same Batman (Keaton). Catwoman was still an issue, (I'm not sure why she was so quick to leave in Forver), and Harvey Dent was completely neglected in Returns (say he was on a vacation or something during Returns, I don't know). And the Riddler? Maybe. I think Burton would get the character perfectly (same with Two-Face), but I'm not sure about the design; he still has to the THE RIDDLER, and Burton does take some liberties in this department. I'd be fine with a comic-syle jumpsuit (like Forever), or the TAS style suit (probably that one). The Riddler might not even be needed with Catwoman and (maybe) Two-Face. He know's how to keep balance, though.

The best way to continue from B&R would be to work backwords, and take a step in the direction of Forever (a sudden change in style would be a little odd). Though him suddenly having his original Batmobile wouldn't be logical, same with the suit (the one in the OnStar commercials looked nice, though). I don't know about plot, but the one discussed in the Triumphant sequel thread works.

[riddler]

As great as the Burton films were, Returns has several flaws. Mainly it dipped too far into the fantasy realm; the penguin was just too far fetched. I think Burton would have gotten too far away from what Batman is supposed to be. He would have had Marlon Waynes as Robin- and not dick grayson but actually named Robin, I can't see that working. It would have been Billy Dee Williams as the riddler which couldn't have been as good as Carrey. Burton collaborated with Shumacher quite a bit and so while we would not have Batman and Robin with Burton at the helm, forever would have been similar and maybe not as good.

Schumacher for all his faults was at least a comic fan; he brought in Arkham Asylum, the two face scarring was authentic. As hated as Batman and Robin is, it does represent an era of the comics (the 60's), just not an era we liked. Forever was a more successful film than Returns and could have been more successful than what Burtons third would have been. Schumacher gets his faults. I'm not sure I would have enjoyed his casting, Howard Stern and Madonna being rumoured but it would have been interesting to see Shumcaher helm a gothic Bat film. Also he already had plans for a prequel/year one based on Frank Millers story for a sixth film so I'm thinking the fifth film may have been designed to end the series.

[The Joker]

Whatever Burton had in mind for his third go at the Batman franchise would undoubtedly be far more interesting and worthwhile than anything Schmaucher may have done with a Batman 5. Though I would have loved to have seen Nicholson return to reprise the role of the Joker one last time, if even just for a cameo. Pass on Madonna as Harley Quinn though. Yeesh.

[Nightwing]

As great as the Burton films were, Returns has several flaws. Mainly it dipped too far into the fantasy realm; the penguin was just too far fetched. I think Burton would have gotten too far away from what Batman is supposed to be. He would have had Marlon Waynes as Robin- and not dick grayson but actually named Robin, I can't see that working. It would have been Billy Dee Williams as the riddler which couldn't have been as good as Carrey. Burton collaborated with Shumacher quite a bit and so while we would not have Batman and Robin with Burton at the helm, forever would have been similar and maybe not as good.

I dont know where you got your info, but Billy Dee was Harvey Dent aka Two-Face, NOT the Riddler. And Burton didnt collaborate with Schumacher on BF. He has the Exec Producer title because WB paid him off to not direct the film. He said so himself on Howard Stern in the late 90's. Joel turned Batman and Robin into the gay icecapades. lol