BATMAN 89 LIMITED EDITION 2CD SET!

[Paul (ral)]

^ Thanks.

I'm going to put on B89, put the television on mute, start a scene and play the corresponding isolated cue over it. Should be an interesting experience. I'm particularly looking forward to doing Shootout and Showdown I/Showdown II.

excellent idea

[Joker81]

Can I just ask something, and I am not knocking the CD, I love it and thank you to all that was involved in getting it produced.

However, the scene where the Joker gatecrashes in Vickis apartment, Beatuiful Dreamer is playing on his Goons getto-blaster.

Surley this is not the original Beatiful Dreamer, and was actually conducted by Elfman for this scene?

I say this because when Bruce makes his appearence there is a tune, like a flutter from a flute - then a 'dum dum dum dum dum' from a bass. This accompanies the moment perfectly and seems either seperate from Beatiful Dreamer, but still with keeping to the tune, or incorporated into the track in this scene.

Surely this is not part of the original Beautiful Dreamer? And if not then this small segment is missing from the new CD?

Elfman did not conduct the score.  Shirley Walker did.

Also that cue, as the notes mention, is indeed a previously recorded version of Beautiful Dreamer and not composed for Batman.

Here it is on YouTube: 

Thanks for your response. Fair enough if it is a previously recorded version. However, what about the additional flutter from the flute and the bass I described? Is that in the previously recorded version?

[CarterOfMars]

Listen to that YouTube video.  It's in that recording of "Beautiful Dreamer".  I can't be any clearer than that.

[Kamdan]

Yeah, dude. THAT IS IT.

[The Dark Knight]

Yeah, dude. THAT IS IT.

Sure is. I'm going to download it and put it on my B89 playlist.

[The Dark Knight]

I was flipping through the booklet today, and this segment stuck out for me:

"Finally, the score's manic energy and unpredictable bursts of orchestration add a subversive "cartoon" aspect that subtly suggests the Batman character's roots in comic books and Saturday morning animation."

The Nolan series music could fit in with any old generic action flick. There is nothing "special" or distinct about it, other than sounding dark. As that quote says, Elfman's sound is distinctly and proudly comic book, but still dark.

Elfman can effortlessly carry a track for five minutes plus, eg. Shootout, and keep the listener engaged the whole time with variety. But with Zimmer, the tracks, especially the long ones, drone on and on. I'm looking at my watch and waiting for it to end, I'm looking at you "A Dark Knight". I do not find myself doing that with Elfman's Batman scores at all.

[Kamdan]

Yes, I feel the same about your post. I do have to give my props to Nolan and company for making it their own and not trying to copy the sucessful elements of the previous franchise, case in point: Singer's Superman. Just imagine if that happened with Batman.

[gordonblu]

At least Elfman's sound would be mimicked instead of using droning ambiance to create a "theme".

[Kamdan]

Didn't we get enough of that in the Animated Series? Anyways, the rich gothic sounds of Elfman don't exactly match with the realism Nolan and company had, so even it it was in there, it would have been largely out of place.

[gordonblu]

One can never get enough Elfman!

Besides which, my comment was in reference to a "Superman Returns" style sequel/reboot for Burton's Batman films.