Burton's Batman Forever

[ZUPERZERO]

check what i found about "the greatest movie never made":

http://www.geocities.com/burtonsbatman3/index2.html




i also found this very interesting version of Batman forever:


The novelization versus the script
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Well, 1989 Batman Fan owns the BATMAN 89 novelization, which sounds like a masterpiece. It sounds like P.J. Wares owns the BATMAN RETURNS novelization, which is also intriguing. But I'm the one that owns the BATMAN FOREVER novelization, which is significantly better than the film and the script. It's not by Craig Shaw Gardner, it's by Peter David who sounds like he writes his novelizations in a similar style to that of Craig Shaw Gardner. David had an excellent HULK novelization that gave more details on Bruce Banner and gave a better death to one of the villians.

But here's what's in the novelization:
- The first scene is Bruce running and falls into the Batcave. As he runs, he keeps remembering the murder and the man who said, "Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight." He sees the bat coming toward him, as they said in the film. David writes, "It was then that Bruce danced with the devil in the pale moonlight."
- The second chapter is middle schooler Edward Nygma being picked on by bullies and then reading about the Wayne murder. He begins to think that he has characteristics similar to Bruce Wayne. A bully punches Edward, sending his skull to hit the ground hard. Blood spurts out onto the newspaper. Possibly, this traumatic brain damage causes the insanity of Edward Nygma. It ends with the creepy mention that Edward knows several questions...and wants to know all the answers.
- Third chapter is a major fast forward in time. Harvey Dent is standing on a rooftop when he's confronted by Batman, who tells Dent the whereabouts of the Red Triangle Circus Gang (thus, Batman's name is cleared). Very cool scene.
- Next chapter is Dr. Chase Meridian being new in town. A mugger comes and grabs her purse. Suddenly, out of no where, a vigilante comes out in the form of....Dick Grayson. Yep, that's right, it's kind of a nod to the Dick Grayson in Sam Hamm's Batman II script. Grayson returns the purse to Chase and Grayson's dad tells him to stop being reckless and to stop acting like Jason Todd  (JK, there's no Jason Todd).
- Next is Two-Face bribing a guard to get out. It's a really creepy scene. Two-Face obviously kills the guard and escapes. Dr. Burton comes and sees THE BAT MUST DIE and he screams.
- It seems that this take place after a few years from BATMAN RETURNS. Just enough time for Poison Ivy to come out and nearly kill Harvey Dent (there was no B&R story when David was writing. So he took liberties and mentioned that like what happened in the animated series). Then, Dent was scarred by Boss Maroni. So now Bruce is haunted by Selina Kyle and Dent becoming Two-Face.

More later!


Yeah, it would've been. It would've been even better if they followed the novelization route.

In the film and the script, you think that Edward Nygma may have a homosexual crush on Bruce Wayne. Peter David pretty much dispenses all that saying that Edward thinks that Bruce and him are counterparts and together could become successful in business, thus no one would shun him anymore.

Also, the novelization says that Chase Meridian knew that Bruce Wayne was Batman at the circus. Obviously. Why? 'Cause Bruce yelled, "HARVEY!!! I'M BATMAN!!" JK, though that is a logical way to look at it. However, it turns out that Chase knew when looking at how Bruce fought in the circus and then comparing it to how Batman fought. She took a close look at Batman at the bank (unfortunately, the novelization still has HOT ENTRANCE. Damn) and then with Bruce Wayne. She put two and two together. However, we don't know this until Batman leaves Chase's apartment later on. She then picks up a tape and records her analysis on Bruce, who she feels is her patient. She reveals that she's attracted to Bruce, knows that he's Batman, and has tried to help him by making him admit it on his own (which he never really has done. Vicki found out and he accidentally gave it to Selina). Thus, she never really fell in love with Batman. She fell in love with Bruce, knowing that he was Batman (thus, the rooftop seduction sequence). She throws the tape into the fire and cries, knowing that Bruce will probably never listen to it. And on the building across from her apartment is Batman with binoculars and headphones. He's been listening all along.

Unlike Craig Shaw Gardner's BATMAN novelization, there isn't much of Gordon. However, you may think that he's redeemed a bit by saying, "Get that two-faced son-of-a-b@#$%" (though that is completely against the rationale that Gordon was one of Harvey Dent's former best friends).

Oh yeah, and Two-Face commits suicide at the end. Batman throws a batarang at Two-Face's coin. Two-Face has fast reflexes and catches it, but he falls. But he catches onto the girder and yells at Batman saying, "Look what you did to us!" (referring to his face). Robin then said, "Look what YOU did to US!" (it's sorta like "I made you, You made me first" but with different characters). However, Robin doesn't slam his foot down on Two-Face's hand. He keeps yelling at Two-Face and calls him a coward for not wanting to take responsibility (i.e. Batman did this to me, the coin told me to do this, the coin tells me to do that, etc). Robin says that it was never his coin that made decisions, it was Two-Face. Two-Face flips the coin and tells Robin that he was right. Two-Face lets go of the girder and commits suicide. Robin says, "I...I killed him." Batman replies, "No, you showed Two-Face his REAL face." In other words, you forced Harvey Dent to return. And Harvey knew what he had to do....kill Two-Face.

[Paul (ral)]

that's a pretty good manip.

We are working on a similiar section here too, but it is taking time.

[Paul (ral)]

you wouldn't let it lie!