The "Raimi" Spiderman Franchise

[Gotham Knight]

Ultimately, it had way too many characters. Gwen Stacy was incredibly interesting, but we barely scratched the surface and at the end of the day, there was really no place for her.

And I don't think Venom should have EVER been in a Rami vehicle. Pretty clear that his strengths are the 60's villains, two of which showed up within the first year or so. Venom should have never been forced on him. I realize no Venom means angry fanboys in the street, but if Sam can make gold without him, then so be it. His typical 80's two dimensionality makes it difficult to include him, anyway.

[TheBatMan0887]

I agree with this thread...and hi i'm back. I may have said it elsewhere, but just to recount things again and my extra input at the end.

I agree as I analyzed that with accuracy, it changed nothing on the story of the film.

In the first film, we only had Peter getting out of school, getting his own apartment, going into collage, as well as a splicing of the story and looks of Mary with Gwen. It really wasn't too off and they would only need 5 minutes of Mary Jane shots as another actress if that was Gwen and she died that night.

However, I agree that fanboys ruined it, like with having Gwen there, as now this simple merging is not so as if and we have an odd Felicia merged with Gwen situation now! She gives me the vibes and back story of Felicia. Gwen is shadow cat? Why not make it Felicia then? Ugh.

Moving on, Peter Parker as Venom stories always use a villain getting the best of our hero, with Venom nearly ending up making him kill the villain almost. We didn't need this as with Burton and Nolan's, they already have this apart of the story with Joker making Two-Face and BatMan or Ra's Al Ghul training BatMan. Here however, IT WAS correct and is not the same as complaining about something they did from the start. All we need is a few scenes cut out and Spidey Venom not saying anything in the subway area.

After that, it ruined the way it worked. Even if the original could have been an accident, it would be more a struggle and Parker is to blame thus still. Here however, it's like he pats SandMan on the back and whoops! After forgiving SandMan, he could then just as well forgive himself and even the other dude. The only thing that keeps him SpiderMan now is the magically appearing villains that now just show up ever since he's been SpiderMan. It sounds like he is the problem all along now, like they cause this to gain attention from him.

Lastly, the meteorite is a dead stereotype versus the space shuttle crashing into the ocean. Meteorite Man...WOOT! I mean the fan trailers that shown elements of other films that resemble it A WHOLE LOT were way more dynamic. Perhaps we can replace the crane scene with this, still getting him the key of the city. However, on a side note, this film makes it out to that spidey is so loved, it's not half/half and a gritty dark tone. It's just too happy that only JJJ hates SpiderMan, so, using the source here more so is good also. The Felicia and Mary Jane thing could have happened all the same even without the key of the city and doing the trademark kiss thing, though perhaps he saves her too like Jane instead.

You see, after that we se it would have been similar enough, we cannot say these arguments are not valid. I mean, I DOUBT HEAVILY that it's due to the amount of villains as there are only 1 with major time. Venom is only about 15 minutes of the ending until he dies. GG's son is only a single confrontation, who later teams up with him just after we forget completely about him. I say it's what they did with them and how they have only 15 minutes of the other Venom before he dies.

It's something else. I mean there ARE soooo many contradictions that they even forgot that Eddie was mentioned in number 1. So, instead of the scrawny little new guy, it should have been the dimmer football player sized brute that?s not seen for being too low in the production line until now, due to a promotion of course. I say it was due to Sam getting a chance to write it, but many miscommunications occurred between the previous writer's works.


EDIT: What i'm saying is that their new input (like even getting the key) is actually what ate up too much time for other stuff as without some of the unneeded stuff, we get more time for the love triangle/other.

[Seantastic]

I actually really like the third one, whereas I I kinda hate the second, it just wasn't that good, its good, but not as good as its been up to be.  The first was good, but IMO the Third one was the best, and hopefully we get Carnage in the Fourth, or even Rhino

[johnnygobbs]

I actually really like the third one, whereas I I kinda hate the second, it just wasn't that good, its good, but not as good as its been up to be.  The first was good, but IMO the Third one was the best, and hopefully we get Carnage in the Fourth, or even Rhino

No Carnage in the fourth one!  Honestly, they screwed up the third one thans to Venom so I don't see how intorducing a Venom rip-off is going to help, especially since the ending of Spiderman 3 suggests that Venom is dead, and Eddie Brock cannot therefore meet Claytus Cassidy and pass on the symbiote as in the comics.

Rhino is almost as bad a choice.  Sandman was a dumb small-time crook and they've already used him, so I don't see how introducing a similar character would be a good idea.  If the filmmakers don't use The Lizard and Kraven the Hunter for the fourth film (and they'd be mad not to), The Vulture or possibly Electro would be good alternatives (although it's arguably that Spiderman 3's version of Edde Brock already shares too many characteristics with Electro - i.e. bitter, insecure loser who acts as a twisted version of Peter Parker).

[Paul (ral)]

i want to see Dr Connors become the Lizard.

Do we need another villian? I say no.

But if we must then Mysterio has always been my fav. Infact, Bruce Campbell as Mysterio 

[johnnygobbs]

i want to see Dr Connors become the Lizard.

Do we need another villian? I say no.

But if we must then Mysterio has always been my fav. Infact, Bruce Campbell as Mysterio 

The only reason why I mention Kraven is because I don't see any other way that he can be in the films unless he is hunting The Lizard, and it would also make a much more interesting dynamic than usual; one in which Spiderman goes back to being a pariah as he tries to protect his friend The Lizard (AKA Dr Connors), whilst the city champions the true villain of the piece, Kraven as its hero for trying to do something about The Lizard.  In any case, I hope the filmmakers think carefully about whom the villain(s) should be in the next films instead of trying to shoehorn a certain character simply to sate the fanboys, producers or even just because they happen to be a personal favourite of Sam Raimi or Toby Maguire.

[Paul (ral)]

you've convinced me johnny - Kraven & Lizard 

[The Dark Knight]

i want to see Dr Connors become the Lizard.

Do we need another villian? I say no.

Agreed. Lizard is the obvious choice. Like all of the other villains, he would have a personal connection to Peter.

[thecolorsblend]

Correct.  Plus he's already been very very well established as someone Peter has a relationship with.

If Kraven were to come to town hunting the Lizard, Spidey would naturally want to get involved to protect Connors from Kraven while also protecting the city from Connors.  I don't know what kind of arc you could give Peter and MJ but the basic story is right there.  Plus you could set up the return of Kraven for Spider-Man 5 in Spidey 4.

It works on a lot of levels.

[The Dark Knight]

Dylan Baker (Connors) has announced he's on board for Spider-Man 4. However, it seems to be another "background" part.

Bruce Campbell is also returning with a "meatier role".

I can't wait for Spider-Man 4.