the jokers death

[Joker81]

if people die on the way down during a plunge then how does bungee jumping exists?

joker was alert, activating his laugh thing, and pondering which goon to promote now that bob was out of the picture

Are you for real??? Whats the average age of this forum? 12?

The bag obviously was activated by the impact when his body hit the pavement!

As for the Jokers death in Batman. As much as I liked the Joker character it was the right thing to do. I have no problems with it. The ending was perfect and well shot. One of my favourite parts of Batman is the climax. I dont buy this 'Joker shouldnt have died' rubbish. Its a film, with a start middle and end. the way a film should be. This is one of the reasons Batman is one of my favourite films as well as my favourite bat film.

Love the shot of the Joker laying on the cathedral steps, still smiling while the laughing bag is laughing.

[johnnygobbs]

Exactly.  Well said Joker81.  The Batman comic's have such a wealth of villains so it's not as if Burton and co would ever have needed to bring the Joker back as an antagonist even if they had stayed on for several more sequels.

Like you Batman is one of my favourite films because it is a strong self-contained story, that at times reaches almost operatic heights.  Regardless of whatever the producers' intentions may have been, the film is not merely a set-up for a franchise; it exists on its own terms, and therefore the decision to kill off the Joker made sense (it provided a sense of finality to the story).

On a similar matter, the self-contained nature of the first Burton Batman film lets the filmmakers get away with the conceit of having Joker as the murderer of Wayne's parents.  It doesn't matter that Bruce Wayne has fulfilled his mission to avenge his parents' death by the end of the movie since Returns is essentially treated as a separate film rather than a direct continuation of its predocessor.  By contrast Nolan's Batman series is clearly designed as the basis of a franchise in which the various films compliment each other as an ongoing story.

[WingedFreak71]

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Are you for real??? Whats the average age of this forum? 12?

The bag obviously was activated by the impact when his body hit the pavement!

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yes i'm for real - i totally have the truth on what some fictional character in a movie was doing and thinking as he fell off of a cathedral

[johnnygobbs]

Hey guys, let's try to keep this site friendly and free from personal insults, name-calling or blatant condescension or sarcasm.

[Azrael]

These two movies wouldn't be the same if the Joker was caught by the police or the Penguin survived and was incarcerated at a refridgerator in Arkham. I like their self-contained nature, and for me the best finales are those when the villain dies, they have more impact.

[thecolorsblend]

Are you for real?

Bungee jumpers know that they're not going to die, due to being harnessed. When you're falling from a cathedral with a gargoyle tied to your leg, things are way different. You'd be in deep shock in that scenario.

That and however exhilarating bungee jumping might be, I don't think you bungee jump the equivalent of 112 stories before snapping back into place.

Yoda- "Yes, yes, to TDK you listen."

[WingedFreak71]

i ONLY bungee 112 stories and higher

sometimes i tie a gargoyle to myself for added fun

[The Dark Knight]

Yoda- "Yes, yes, to TDK you listen."

Correct. My word is the gospel.

[Joker81]

Exactly.  Well said Joker81.  The Batman comic's have such a wealth of villains so it's not as if Burton and co would ever have needed to bring the Joker back as an antagonist even if they had stayed on for several more sequels.

Like you Batman is one of my favourite films because it is a strong self-contained story, that at times reaches almost operatic heights.  Regardless of whatever the producers' intentions may have been, the film is not merely a set-up for a franchise; it exists on its own terms, and therefore the decision to kill off the Joker made sense (it provided a sense of finality to the story).

On a similar matter, the self-contained nature of the first Burton Batman film lets the filmmakers get away with the conceit of having Joker as the murderer of Wayne's parents.  It doesn't matter that Bruce Wayne has fulfilled his mission to avenge his parents' death by the end of the movie since Returns is essentially treated as a separate film rather than a direct continuation of its predocessor.  By contrast Nolan's Batman series is clearly designed as the basis of a franchise in which the various films compliment each other as an ongoing story.

Thanks Jonnygobbs.

And you mentioned the Waynes murders, is this the same as the artistic decision that Nolan took in distorting the Jokers and two faces' origin in The Dark Knight?

Not that I want to start an argument, just I hate the critsism Batman gets for the Joker dying (when that was the original idea for batman no.1) and the Wayne murders (even tho Bob Kane endorsed the idea of Napier killing the Waynes) when TDK took, IMO took worse measures to tell a story regarding the origin of the two villians, Rachel Dawes and Bruce Wayne living in a penthouse etc.

[johnnygobbs]

Are you for real?

Bungee jumpers know that they're not going to die, due to being harnessed. When you're falling from a cathedral with a gargoyle tied to your leg, things are way different. You'd be in deep shock in that scenario.

That and however exhilarating bungee jumping might be, I don't think you bungee jump the equivalent of 112 stories before snapping back into place.

Yoda- "Yes, yes, to TDK you listen."

That 'why so socialist' poster bugs me.  Yet another reason for taking issue with the 'new' Batman franchise.  I always figured that the die-hard Nolanites were closet-Republicans.  Guess I was right.