Tim Burton and Batman TAS

Started by eledoremassis02, Sun, 19 Jul 2020, 17:13

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I'm focusing on Conroy's voice again, because I saw this Reddit user calling him a terrible Batman. Not just overrated, but terrible.

https://www.reddit.com/r/batman/comments/o9o503/kevin_conroy_is_a_terrible_batman/

Aside from him pointing out how most people keep ignoring that Keaton was the first actor to use distinctive voices as Bruce and Batman, I completely disagree with the rest of this poster's perspective.

Now, I can understand the argument if people said Conroy reached his peak with BTAS. I can even see the argument that some people feel Conroy has been phoning it for most of the time ever since the show ended.

But I can't ever agree with the opinion of Conroy was never good in the role. The same can be said about BTAS not being any good and the other voice actors he criticises. I do find it odd in another post he mentions how he thought Two-Face's obsessions with duality was cringeworthy as somebody who grew on the Arkham games, despite the fact that Two-Face was obsessed with duality in those games as well.
QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

Here are more comments by Paul Dini on B89's influence on the show.

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Do you think we would've seen the same tone and style to Batman: The Animated Series if it wasn't for Tim Burton's Batman movie in 1989?

It's interesting. I think things would've definitely been different. I think Tim's movie really changed, in a very positive way, the perception of Batman. Up until his movie, even when they'd seen trailers for the coming movie with Michael Keaton and Jack Nicholson, I think 80% of the audience were expecting at some point to hear the Batman theme from the '60s show or to see call-backs to it or for it to have some sort of goofy element from the series. I don't think they were expecting Tim to make a really serious movie about Batman, and I think that because it was cool and it was dark and it was very much his artistic vision – and yet very true to the comics at that time – I think that a lot of people embraced it as almost something new. And we did have to step up in a way. We had to repeat what Tim had done, but also, "Okay, he had his chance to do his vision of Batman – here's ours! We hope you accept it as a true vision." And they did. I think the two coexisted very comfortably together, and I do think that the fact that he had made that artistic statement worked well for us.

https://www.starburstmagazine.com/features/paul-dini-batman-animated-series

The mid-to-late Eighties and early Nineties era was a game-changer era for Batman. I reckon a lot of people don't quite fully understand this, especially among the younger generations.
QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Sat,  2 Apr  2022, 01:36The mid-to-late Eighties and early Nineties era was a game-changer era for Batman. I reckon a lot of people don't quite fully understand this, especially among the younger generations.
What I try telling them is that by the early Eighties, Batman comics had reached a sort of stagnant point where nobody seemed to rly know what to do with the character anymore. Miller, Moore and others solved for that in the comics, Burton did something similar in film and the BTAS guy did the same in animation.

Batman media from, oh, maybe 1986 to 1992 was an amazing 1-2-3 punch of creative energy that I don't think the character had ever experienced before or since.

These Dang Kids Today can't be expected to understand how important those six years were until you sit them down and kick some science on them. I understand that veteran fans who have been around for decades are probably fed up with hearing about how important B89, TDKR and BTAS were in their time. But it's important that younger fans understand how pivotal all of those things truly were in terms of making Batman the icon that he is today.