The Projection Booth Podcast (featuring Sam Hamm, Daniel Waters, Mark Reinhart)

[Cobblepot4Mayor]

I was quite hurt about his disliking of the pop culture references. Well not hurt. More surprised. I quite liked them. The "Ted Bundy" one in particular. It's pretty funny Keaton moment to me. As a child I had no clue just who he was talking about. Now of course...I know! Boy do I know. That's the point. It made me want to go and find out, however grisly the end result actually was! Who says you can't learn anything watching something so mundane as a Batman film? lol I quite like that sense of real world reality in this possibly most fantastical of Batman films. For me it keeps up Burton's idea of a timeless world of 40's comic influences but with contemporary beats here and there.

Another moment similarly gives me a chuckle, but I know of fans who really cringe at it. Max Shreck's "fifteen rounds with Mohammed Shreck!" reference. Yeah, it might be a line too far for Walken's character. Still I find it funny if a little unusual.

What were the rest?

[The Laughing Fish]

The rest of the podcast had the hosts talk about how a hypothetic Daniel Waters' scripted Catwoman movie would've been a better alternative to the awful Halle Berry one.

They complained how they don't like Robin because they prefer Batman as a loner. Some of the reasons they explained include how dubious imagery with Batman and Robin comics gave ammunition to Frederic Werner for arguing that comics carry homosexual undertones, and the toning down of violence in comics gave rise to Robin's "Holy [whatever]" catch phrases. They don't sound like fans of the 1960s TV show by the sounds of it. But they did like Joseph Gordon-Levitt's non-Robin though.  Some fans really do make me wonder about their distaste for some parts of the Batman mythology. I understand Batman being a loner is appealing, but I think him working well with a partner like Robin as he gets older bodes well, especially if the story drills the part that Batman may be looking for his successor one day.

One of the hosts talked that even though they didn't mind that BR focused on the villains, he got fed up with Schumacher's movies always having an origin story for Batman's villains and side kicks. I guess the real problem that Schumacher, like Nolan, had too many characters.

I fast forwarded to some stuff and they praise that stupid sonar scene in TDK, despite the fact that Lucius Fox comes across as hypocritical since he's the one he helped Bruce become the deadly vigilante in the first place, and how the animated Dark Knight Returns capture the spirit of the comic very well (tell me something I don't know).

Before the Waters interview, they spoke how B89 was philosophically influenced by Alan Moore's The Killing Joke; where Batman and Joker were one of the same because their freakish natures were spawned by tragedy. They even included a snippet of Alan Moore describing that a superhero like Batman would be a "vigilante psychopath" in the real world. Well I'd definitely agree to that if the real world Batman wanted to get results to keep the city safe while trying to spark fear among criminals.