Leaked details? [Possible spoilers]

[Cobblepot4Mayor]

No idea if this is true or not but thought some might be interested in reading this post I found on the Superman Homepage website. According to them plot and design details have leaked out on Batman vs Superman due to designers having to leave the project (or fired?) because of the delay:


A message posted on the NeoGAF forums includes what is claimed to be plot details for the upcoming Superman/Batman movie leaked by "someone from the art department" who was either fired or left the production due to the 10 month delay.
If the information is true (and that's a BIG "if") there's no telling whether the details could be from an early version of the script (which could be going through a revamp/rewrites as we speak). Take this information with the appropriate amount of salt...

- The villians are Lex Luthor and Metallo.
- Batman forms a UN type deal to stop Superman from destroying another city.
- Aquaman is in it, but not called Aquaman. He's there because the world engine in the ocean did something to the fish.
- Wonder Woman poses as a Wayne Enterprises investor to retrieve an item that belongs to her people.
- Lex Luthor is in the shadows a lot, a manipulator. Not much face time with Superman.
- Robin betrayed Batman at some point, leading to a falling out between them.
- The Batcave was super cool looking, and the mobile looked similar to Burton's.
- Lois is investigating Lex.
- Metallo "kills" Clark.
- The Daily Planet is bought by Lex Luthor for PR purposes.
- At the end Superman is living in exile, and the Justice League is a government-approved superhero team.
Source: NeoGAF.com via Latino-Review.com



Intrigued by the idea that the Batmobile may possibly harken back to Tim Burton's. Certainly hope this is true. Uncomfortable with the idea of Metallo killing "Clark". Tell me their not going to kill his alter ego. I'm looking forward to seeing Cavill play the Daily Planet side of Clark Kent next time they avoided shockingly in "Man of Steel". Don't cop out on us all now.

[Silver Nemesis]

More rumours courtesy of Latino Review, this time concerning the costume. Or rather costumes:

The more interesting thing I've heard is that Batman will actually wear 2 batsuits in the film, but where as Grey-and-Blue has already been designed and Affleck has worn it, the second Batsuit is more armored like the one in the Dark Knight Returns and Kingdom Come comics.

According to the source, the plating is silver/white. The plates are attached to a black undercloth. The plates doesn't cover his entire body. We see the black undercloth at the joints. Supposedly, it looks incredible. Equally, or maybe even better-looking than the other suit and it's leagues above and beyond Bale's suit from what I'm told... I'm told you'll see it in February/Early march.

http://latino-review.com/2014/01/quick-update-armored-batsuit/

If he wears the classic grey and blue/black costume I will be a happy fanboy/nerd.

Uncomfortable with the idea of Metallo killing "Clark". Tell me their not going to kill his alter ego. I'm looking forward to seeing Cavill play the Daily Planet side of Clark Kent next time they avoided shockingly in "Man of Steel". Don't cop out on us all now.

Agreed. The Lois-Clark-Superman dynamic is one of the most endearing aspects of the Superman mythology. Sure, it's unrealistic that she doesn't recognise him without the glasses, but that's all part of the magic. There's a great scene in the Lois and Clark episode 'Tempus Fugitive' where Lois asks H G Wells if the people of the future consider her stupid for failing to figure out Superman's secret identity. Wells' response:

No, no, no, Miss Lane, not stupid. Blind. It is one of the many things that makes your story so timeless. Why children never tire of hearing it at bedtime. Why parents never outgrow it. Generation after generation, we are all blinded by love, Miss Lane. Especially that one great love that changes us forever.

The fact that Snyder and Goyer didn't get this, and felt such an important aspect of the mythology needed to be dispensed with, is one of the reasons I'm not enthusiastic about their vision for the character. Still - must try and keep an open mind.

[The Laughing Fish]

No, no, no, Miss Lane, not stupid. Blind. It is one of the many things that makes your story so timeless. Why children never tire of hearing it at bedtime. Why parents never outgrow it. Generation after generation, we are all blinded by love, Miss Lane. Especially that one great love that changes us forever.

The fact that Snyder and Goyer didn't get this, and felt such an important aspect of the mythology needed to be dispensed with, is one of the reasons I'm not enthusiastic about their vision for the character. Still - must try and keep an open mind.

I can sorta understand your point to a degree, and the complaint reminds me of one of the many things I didn't like about Goyer's work on the recent Batman trilogy: taking away Bruce Wayne's intelligence and making him rely on Lucius Fox for all the detective work and to deliver almost all of the equipment to become Batman. There is a reason why Batman became "The World's Greatest Detective" - he believes he needs to outsmart criminals, not just outfight them. That always intrigued me about the character's commitment to fight crime. Taking that away from him only cheapens his appeal in my opinion. Hell, Burton's movies didn't even dig that deep when it came to Batman's intelligence, but even those movies gave us the impression he was capable of those skills e.g. figuring out which chemicals did the Joker taint to create the Smilex gas, regaining control of the Batmobile when it was hijacked by Penguin AND exposing Penguin's true colours to the media later.

But unlike the lack of Batman's detective/intellectual skills in the movies, we have seen the Superman-Lois blind love dynamic many times before. The scene with Lois interviewing Superman and flying together in the sky in the '78 movie is the best example of that, and it would be redundant to do that again at this point. It just doesn't bother me that much.

As for the rest of the rumours, that's what they are: rumours.

[The Dark Knight]

It's probably a lot of rumour, but I'll address it anyway.

Burton like Batmobile? Would be great.
A cool looking batcave? Fantastic.
Robin having betrayed Batman? Depends on what he did, but yes, this can work.
Luthor and Metallo, with Luthor in the shadows? Sounds fine.
Wonder Woman undercover? Yes, could work just fine too.
Lois investigating Lex? Don't see a problem here.

As you can see, I like most of it. Though would be a little unsure about certain things.

Batman forming a UN type thing against Superman. Hmm. It seems funny to have Superman living in exile at the end, with Batman and his group in the limelight, front and centre. Batman's alternative would have to be a lethal force to go up against an alien invasion ala the one Zod brought. They may discover they're lacking, and ask Superman to join them in the second film.

The Aquaman plot sounds a little wacky. If Clark is publically killed to explain the secret identity - well, sure, it's an explanation. But it's running away completely from the spirit. Clark works at the Daily Planet and somehow escapes being found out. They should work within those guidelines.

[Cobblepot4Mayor]

More rumours courtesy of Latino Review, this time concerning the costume. Or rather costumes:

The more interesting thing I've heard is that Batman will actually wear 2 batsuits in the film, but where as Grey-and-Blue has already been designed and Affleck has worn it, the second Batsuit is more armored like the one in the Dark Knight Returns and Kingdom Come comics.

According to the source, the plating is silver/white. The plates are attached to a black undercloth. The plates doesn't cover his entire body. We see the black undercloth at the joints. Supposedly, it looks incredible. Equally, or maybe even better-looking than the other suit and it's leagues above and beyond Bale's suit from what I'm told... I'm told you'll see it in February/Early march.

http://latino-review.com/2014/01/quick-update-armored-batsuit/

If he wears the classic grey and blue/black costume I will be a happy fanboy/nerd.

Uncomfortable with the idea of Metallo killing "Clark". Tell me their not going to kill his alter ego. I'm looking forward to seeing Cavill play the Daily Planet side of Clark Kent next time they avoided shockingly in "Man of Steel". Don't cop out on us all now.

Agreed. The Lois-Clark-Superman dynamic is one of the most endearing aspects of the Superman mythology. Sure, it's unrealistic that she doesn't recognise him without the glasses, but that's all part of the magic. There's a great scene in the Lois and Clark episode 'Tempus Fugitive' where Lois asks H G Wells if the people of the future consider her stupid for failing to figure out Superman's secret identity. Wells' response:

No, no, no, Miss Lane, not stupid. Blind. It is one of the many things that makes your story so timeless. Why children never tire of hearing it at bedtime. Why parents never outgrow it. Generation after generation, we are all blinded by love, Miss Lane. Especially that one great love that changes us forever.

The fact that Snyder and Goyer didn't get this, and felt such an important aspect of the mythology needed to be dispensed with, is one of the reasons I'm not enthusiastic about their vision for the character. Still - must try and keep an open mind.

I must say I'm unsure about bringing the blue and gray Batsuit to the screen. Even Tim Burton was uncomfortable with the idea back in 1988. I always thought the original Keaton Batsuit looked so much like the Neal Adams design with one exception: rejecting it's colour. And I do think it was much much better for it. Black and gold/yellow looked stunning then and still does for me today. Maybe the blue suit will be something new and different, but at what cost?

The concept of there being more than one Batsuit in a movie is nothing new. Batman Forever did it first with the sonar suit followed by the craziness of "ice" suits in Batman and Robin. No doubt some fans will have a whinge about the return of the "toyetic" intention there but I'm pleased to see variety like that again. So long as there is a viable reason for a change in the suit.

As a supporter of the Bale films I must say I've never liked any of the suits he wore. I complained about the Begins outfit for three years: fat, bulky "panther-like" neck, lack of yellow chest oval, poorly designed utility belt and a cape that was more "parachute" than, well a cape!

And then I saw The Dark Knight's costume.......lol

The ears had always bothered me. When you compare them to Keaton's or Kilmer's they are poor. I also hated the shape of the mouth area of Bale's face. It didn't look right to me. Ironically for a film about "theatricality and deception" they lost a lot of the "theatricality". Shots of Batman swooping or gliding down never had the effect they should have had. Whereas Keaton's were absolutely stunning. The first shot you see of him behind those two muggers in the background remains spellbinding (and just a bit spooky) to this day. My favorite is when he first enters Axis Chemicals in front of two thugs. Burton clearly worked hard on that shot, getting a slight shadow across Batman's face in the moment. It's a shot that really shows off the effect of the costume. It's so well orchestrated it really does look like a shot you can easily draw in the comics by a Neal Adams type. Batman appears less superhero and more like vampire in that quick scene. How some can criticise the Keaton wardrobe (and believe me there are some) is just baffling.

[The Dark Knight]

I must say I'm unsure about bringing the blue and gray Batsuit to the screen. Even Tim Burton was uncomfortable with the idea back in 1988. I always thought the original Keaton Batsuit looked so much like the Neal Adams design with one exception: rejecting it's colour. And I do think it was much much better for it. Black and gold/yellow looked stunning then and still does for me today. Maybe the blue suit will be something new and different, but at what cost?

A blue hue has been ruled out. I think a grey and black suit would be amazing. We've had the all black look for a while now in the movies. Giving the comic image, while still having the 'gritty' look, would be welcome.

[riddler]

JLA film back on apparently;

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2014/04/27/warner-bros-details-plans-for-justice-league-movie-exclusive/

First came "Man of Steel." Next up is "Batman vs. Superman." And then, "Justice League."

Confirming the studio's plans for a movie based on its iconic super-team for the first time, Warner Bros. president of worldwide production Greg Silverman said the studio has set plans to make a "Justice League" movie.

Like "Man of Steel" and its follow-up, which starts production next month, "Justice League" will be directed by Zack Snyder. Henry Cavill is expected to return as Superman, along with Ben Affleck and Gal Gadot, who play Batman and Wonder Woman, respectively, in 2016's "Man of Steel" sequel tentatively titled "Batman vs. Superman."

"It will be a further expansion of this universe," said Mr. Silverman. "'Superman vs Batman' will lead into 'Justice League.'"

A script is still in development and Warner has not set a release date, though the movie is unlikely to come out before 2018. Mr. Silverman would not comment on what other heroes might join Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman in the movie. However the studio has recently been casting the role of Cyborg, a half-robotic hero who is expected to have a cameo in "Batman vs. Superman" and then appear in "Justice League." Other DC heroes who have been in Justice League comic books include Aquaman, Flash and Green Lantern.

The plans for three superhero movies in relatively quick succession show how intent Warner is on catching up with rival Walt Disney Co.'s Marvel Studios in building a cinematic superhero universe after years lagging behind.

Although the "Dark Knight" trilogy was a hit, Warner's other efforts such as "Green Lantern" and "Jonah Hex" have flopped. A "Justice League" movie with a young cast that was to be directed by George Miller of "Mad Max" fame nearly went into production in 2008 but was killed at the last minute.

Warner Bros. has several other movies in development unconnected to the Justice League that are based on DC superheroes and fantasy and crime titles from its Vertigo line of genre comics, said Mr. Silverman and Toby Emmerich, president of Warner's New Line Cinema label. They include "Shazam," "Metal Men," "100 Bullets," and "Fables."

And while there are no plans yet for a "Justice League" spinoff featuring Ms. Gadot's "Wonder Woman," Warner executives said they are warm to the idea.

"That is our hope," said Sue Kroll, president of worldwide marketing. "With the right script, that could be viable. The world is ready for her."