Most tragic moment in the Burton films?

Started by The Laughing Fish, Fri, 31 Jan 2014, 13:32

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What do you think is the most tragic moment in the Burton films?

Bruce's flashback of his parents murdered by Jack Napier
4 (44.4%)
The birth of Oswald Cobblepot
1 (11.1%)
Selina Kyle's mental breakdown in her apartment - becoming Cwoman
3 (33.3%)
"Split down to the center" - Batman's desperate pleas to Catwoman
1 (11.1%)
The death of Oswald Cobblepot
0 (0%)
The Joker's death
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

*hugs copplepot4mayor*

i nearly voted for selina's transformation but i was so torn between it and and bruce trying in vain to save her. that was the bitter end though so i picked it as most tragic. it is sort of like mask of the phantasm, when he is telling alfred he couldn't save her. "i don't think she wanted to be saved." and its true for both of them. they had fallen so deep into that pit that not even bruce, the greatest hero and a man who truly loved them and they loved him back, could pull them back out because they didn't WANT to be pulled back out. there will be no happy endings, no fairy tales. it was too late for selina...at least in this lifetime.

Quote from: johnnygobbs on Fri, 31 Jan  2014, 21:48
I like this one.  :)

Although they weren't celebrating by the time we see him.  ;)  And not 'everyone' was even celebrating to begin with (at least not the Penguin or Selina).

But it's a great pick nonetheless and I agree with the overall sentiment.  Almost everyone else but him is enjoying Christmas.

Oswald and Selina are mirror images of Bruce, aren't they? :)

Selina Kyle's mental breakdown is the most confronting, in your face moment of the Burton duology. I've watched the film with others, and this is the scene that really hits them. Elfman's cue is right up there with his best of all time. It's one of twisting torment. The scene is magnified by watching the tame apartment entry sequence moments before. The before and after list can be done in the same way as Jack Napier/The Joker's. I'll have to do one of those at some point.



I just thought about Max Shreck for a second. Does anybody else find it sad that despite how heinous and manipulative he was, Shreck still had the humanity in him to convince Penguin to take him instead of Chip? Even though he was a cold-blooded bastard, Shreck sacrificed himself to save his son like a loving father would; without trying to run away from the consequences for dealing with the Penguin.
QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Thu,  6 Feb  2014, 03:52
I just thought about Max Shreck for a second. Does anybody else find it sad that despite how heinous and manipulative he was, Shreck still had the humanity in him to convince Penguin to take him instead of Chip? Even though he was a cold-blooded bastard, Shreck sacrificed himself to save his son like a loving father would; without trying to run away from the consequences for dealing with the Penguin.
So true. I also get the impression Max thought he'd wiggle his way out of it. And he did. Luring the monkey, getting out of the cage and acquiring the gun. He was confused as to why Selina didn't go down and just kept firing and hoping. Which is quite understandable.