Superman (2025)

[thecolorsblend]

The sneak peek seems to have been very well received on social media. Lots of discussion, lots of (ugh) reaction videos and so forth.

Lots of engagement, basically. Which is good. Because the last time people talked about Superman in large numbers, it was to make fun of Cavill's mustache removal in Whedon's Justice League. This time, the discussion has been a lot more positive.

Also, the Fortress robots do a lot to reinforce the All-Star Superman vibe the film seems to be aiming for. Seems like each time a new piece of media comes along, the All-Star influence becomes more apparent.

This is shaping up to be a movie that people look like they're invested in.

[The Dark Knight]

I like that Fortress. The general aesthetic of the Reeve version but a lot more advanced inside. It should be Superman's version of the batcave, full of advanced technology and items from across the galaxy, and that's the direction they're going. Pretty cool to see the S shield on the front door - that's pure comic book right there.

[Silver Nemesis]

Here are some variant covers featuring Corenswet's Superman.

[Silver Nemesis]

[The Dark Knight]

A couple of things that have been raised elsewhere that I agree with: I don't know the context of this new scene but Snyder's Superman took a nuke at point blank range and healed from the sun without feeling any pain. Just being in the sun should be enough to heal. The giggling robot that says "he looked at me!" after another just said they have no consciousness at all is an instant contradiction. It could work out better than III, IV and Returns, but I still need to be convinced this will set the box office on fire.

[thecolorsblend]

I understand your concern. But I've wanted a movie/television Fortress for a long time that functioned as the Pre-Crisis comic book version was meant to function.

For better or worse, Donner reimagined the Fortress less as Superman's getaway/home away from home and more as a mausoleum for Krypton. And that conception of the Fortress has endured to ever increasing levels since.

Gunn's Fortress seems like it's a lot more in line with the Pre-Crisis Fortress with all the exotic tech and robots running around.

I'm willing to give Gunn's Superman a chance. I don't think I "need" it. But I do want it if it turns out to be good. And the overall reaction online seems to be largely positive.

[The Joker]

I think Jimmy sincerely missed a golden opportunity with this, in simply casting himself as Superman. The long and short of the campaign thus far, has amusingly been just as focused on him (if not more), as it has been the actual title character.

Speaking of branding, is it too late to have his name above the title? I'm thinking, "Why not?" at this point.

[Silver Nemesis]

I understand your concern. But I've wanted a movie/television Fortress for a long time that functioned as the Pre-Crisis comic book version was meant to function.

For better or worse, Donner reimagined the Fortress less as Superman's getaway/home away from home and more as a mausoleum for Krypton. And that conception of the Fortress has endured to ever increasing levels since.

Gunn's Fortress seems like it's a lot more in line with the Pre-Crisis Fortress with all the exotic tech and robots running around.

It's the same situation with the Batcave. So many movies, yet we've never seen the giant penny or dinosaur. The closest any live action depiction has come to the wackiness of the comic book Batcave would be the Adam West show, and I'm sure Dozier would have included the dinosaur and penny in that series if he'd been able to. But every other live action version of the cave has opted for a more grounded take, where it's basically just the Batcomputer, the armoury and the Batmobile workshop. Hopefully the next cinematic Batcave will break that trend.

With the Fortress, I'd love to see some of the more traditional comic book elements make an appearance. The statues of Lara and Jor-El, the Phantom Zone projector, bottled Kandor, the zoo of endangered aliens. Earlier in this thread we speculated about Solaris making an appearance, which seems very plausible given the obvious Grant Morrison influence. If Solaris does show up, that would present the perfect opportunity to reference the zoo and have Superman use a Sun-Eater to defeat the Tyrant Sun.

At any rate, I like the way the robots look in this footage. They're like Frank Quitely's designs come to life.

[The Dark Knight]

I think Jimmy sincerely missed a golden opportunity with this, in simply casting himself as Superman. The long and short of the campaign thus far, has amusingly been just as focused on him (if not more), as it has been the actual title character.

Speaking of branding, is it too late to have his name above the title? I'm thinking, "Why not?" at this point.

If test screenings are to be believed, apparently the film felt episodic and reaction was mixed. The humor and "silliness" was cited, with ViewerAnon saying Warner Bros.' internal response was less glowing than some positive reports suggested. I don't necessarily have a problem with Krypo, and I'm up for new things, but I get the feeling he's going to be pushed hard, and possibly too hard.

It's the same situation with the Batcave. So many movies, yet we've never seen the giant penny or dinosaur. The closest any live action depiction has come to the wackiness of the comic book Batcave would be the Adam West show, and I'm sure Dozier would have included the dinosaur and penny in that series if he'd been able to. But every other live action version of the cave has opted for a more grounded take, where it's basically just the Batcomputer, the armoury and the Batmobile workshop. Hopefully the next cinematic Batcave will break that trend.

With the Fortress, I'd love to see some of the more traditional comic book elements make an appearance. The statues of Lara and Jor-El, the Phantom Zone projector, bottled Kandor, the zoo of endangered aliens. Earlier in this thread we speculated about Solaris making an appearance, which seems very plausible given the obvious Grant Morrison influence. If Solaris does show up, that would present the perfect opportunity to reference the zoo and have Superman use a Sun-Eater to defeat the Tyrant Sun.

At any rate, I like the way the robots look in this footage. They're like Frank Quitely's designs come to life.

I have no problems with the way this Fortress looks and I hope it's decked out with all sorts of futuristic gear. That's long overdue. I may not agree with other aspects but I also hope Superman is a success to some degree because I'm eager for DCU Batman even if it's just for a classical, high tech batcave. WB have waited around for Matt Reeves to the point of stupidity in my opinion. If he has personal issues or is just plain lazy it doesn't matter - momentum for this early years Batman story has been hit hard. Make Part II a conclusion or just move on right now.

[The Joker]

If test screenings are to be believed, apparently the film felt episodic and reaction was mixed. The humor and "silliness" was cited, with ViewerAnon saying Warner Bros.' internal response was less glowing than some positive reports suggested. I don't necessarily have a problem with Krypo, and I'm up for new things, but I get the feeling he's going to be pushed hard, and possibly too hard.

All I really needed Gunn to do, is to get out of his comfort zone, and truly swing for the fences. If this is the start of your planned DCU, let's aspire to try something a little different, and not rely on playing it safe with MCU-style humor and quips (MCU-style quips is just beyond tired at this point, and with so many movies aping it, it's just killing movies altogether ... but the director is one of the main architects of this style of humor, so that's expecting waaay too much lol), smashing things together (we've seen this a lot and the fall out has been incredibly mixed), and having a overabundance of characters the movie seriously doesn't need.

Progression in recent years, seems to be not to not get rid of the poison pill, but to simply get better at coating it in sugar. Still, the end result remains the same.