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Yesterday  I was having quite a sad  and horrible day, and while I was waiting for my friend to come, I made these two videos in just under and hour and a half. Nothing much, but it was fun  to do, lol

I just threw in some clips against the MP3's of both  the Batman 1989 theme and the Batman Returns theme

Batman 1989

Batman Returns (getting  the bat sounds at the title bit to replicate the film opening was hard)

Opinions  would be great, lol

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[@The Dark Knight]

@The Dark Knight
Definitely. It never gets old. That scene may be my favorite. Although the producers sometimes get flack for their last minute decisions, we wouldn't get that amazing build up to final fight with Joker. We get to see Joker's dance like you said. His nonchalant, whimsical dance while Batman is fighting his goons is a perfect touch. It brings the characters of Batman, Vicki, and The Joker together in an exciting fashion. In the early scripts I think Vicki isn't even at the Cathedral in the final scene.

Also the lighting of the final fights make it look very dream-like and mysterious.

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@BobTheGoon89

I never like to get into the arguments because who knows what opinions will be in another 20 years. We're living in the time of Nolan's Batman series so I think it's normal to see so much love for the series. (For many younger viewers, Batman Begins was "their" Batman 1989.)

However...

They aren't mindful of a few things. People tend to think anything that's great and new is better than the old. That trend follows even outside of movies. Also, calling things "dated" as if they're incredibly observant for noticing 80's-isms in the Burton's Batman. They have to remember that while Nolan's films are "in" right now, in 20 years those Nolan Batman films will also be dated. I can just imagine another great director stepping up to the plate in the next 10 years. Then it'll be the new director's fans vs the Nolanites.

Both movies were made for their time. In the 80's there was a certain standard for movies, Burton's Batman went above and beyond that. In the 2000's there was a certain standard for movies, Nolan's Batman went above and beyond that. You see what I mean? When kids these days make fun of 89' Batman's flaws, they have to realize that there's a 16 year gap of filmmaking technology and techniques there. Nolan's Batman was made in the early 2000's, when there was already a legion of great movies and film techniques that came before it. Nolan could draw from previous film technique and equipment that Burton could not. It's pretty unfair to compare the two. You could say that Batman 89' also had movies to draw from, but superhero movies were never made so dark like that and not to that scale. There were far less superhero movies in that time - Batman 89' truly paved the way for the superhero movies following it. Nolan's Batman might not evne be here without the Batman 89' movie. Many superhero movies owe their creation to Batman 89.'

There's a standard for their time, and both Nolan & Burton went beyond their time's standard. Give it another 10 years and we'll see if there's a battle between Nolanites and a new Batman director.
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Back to the Final Thug
Ok so I read that the producer changed the script last minute because "It didn't look right seeing Batman beat up a 50 year old man." So it resembles what we said about the Joker going one on one with Batman. It just doesn't feel right.

But here's something to think about. Even with the last minute changes, there still HAD to be preparation. You don't just run-and-gun shoot a piece of cinema history like that without a little preparation. There's a lot of stunt work and choreography that has to be agreed on with the director, stunt coordinator, and producers for the final fight scene.

I looked up Clive Curtis, the actor that played the black Joker Goon. I found this: http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110127175911AAnfp6G


" That was Clive Curtis who was the last goon in the bell tower. And Dave Lea as the stunt double for that fight scene. In an interview Dave Lea states that he was just having fun on the last day of his fight scene. And the scene was added to the movie to give Batman a more human aspect to his fighting skill instead of being able to just beat everyone with no problems.  "


I would love to hear any of Tim Burton's thoughts on the final scene. It's great that they were having fun and made a very epic memorable scene. I always thought there would have been at least some strong planning before going out to shoot a final fight scene like that. And it's cool to know they were really trying to show a more human side to Batman.

The resource mentioned in that article is from batmanmovieonline.com. Before it became batman-online.com. The link from yahoo answers doesn't work anymore. Does anyone know how to search the site to find particular articles with keywords and names? Would love to see more of that interview. From the main page batman-online.com, I see facebook updates and the latest interviews but I don't see any more places to click to find less recent articles. Thanks for your help!

Lol,  I am  the guy who asked the question  about the Joker goon who beat Batman up on Yahoo Answers. I remember reading the answer  and being quite satisfied that they decided to give a human aspect to Batman

You have   to copy and paste the Yahoo Answer link , Long LiveTheBatman put there, it won't come up if you just click on it, lol:

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110127175911AAnfp6G

I think   the in story reason to Batman getting roughed up is  the fact that  he had just come out of the crashed, burning plane.  He is heavily bruised,  bones probably fractured (I mean he crashed head  on in a speeding plane), and  when he came face to face with the goon  he couldn't give move his arms and legs  about properly .

My  guess  is that if  Batman had  been in his normal physical self, seen through out the rest of  the film  he would have handled the thug as well as he did the previous ones,  with or with out gadgets

Just a silly , but fun question, lol. I am not  sure if I have posted this in the right section, but since it is Michael Keaton's Batman, I posted it here, lol

Okay, Michael Keaton's Batman suddenly finds himself in the world of th :-[e Elder Scrolls, Skyrim, or Oblivion

How would the characters in the Skyrim or Oblivion world perceive Batman do you think? Michael Keaton's one though, not any other incarnations. lol

While   playing  the game this week, it started to get tedious and  I ended up trying to imagine this scenario with the 89 Batman. Yes, you probably all think I am BATty

Would Batman have the amount of skill needed to survive in that world? lol   

I tried to put Michael Keaton's Batman  (the shot is from where he glides down inn Axis Chemicals) in two Skyrim pictures using paint,  and it looks like s**t as I don't have photoshop or anything,




even worse attempt






                                   

Just a quick question

I have  seen a few people online mention  the Catwoman feeling sorrow about the Ice Princess's death....

Where  in Batman Returns is her sorrow implied?

And  did the Ice Princess actually die? I don't remember any part of the film confirming this.... as we only see her fall on to the box thing that lit up the tree

I have just re installed RollerCoaster Tycoon 3 on  my laptop,  and am trying to build a Batman ride in the game, Tim Burton Style.

In the game you can view the  ride from all different  angles, and there is also a "ride"  view, where you can ride the roller coaster, so I will put a video on you tube when it's done. Lucky enough, RCT3 fans all over  the internet make their own custom scenery, building parts, and rides and make them available for download so we can  add them to the in game scenery, rides, etc. I already have a rollercoaster car in the shape of a Batmobile (not Tim Burtons, but still) and have a few Batman pieces, and can also use JPEG pictures on in game billboards.

I plan to have it start off at the Batcave, then work through Gotham City

What would be your idea of a Tim Burton Batman  ride? What would  you like to see?  Remember I  do have limitations, so I have to work around those. I have posted screenshots of what I have done so far, and also all the pieces I have to work with


Here is what I have begun. Trying  my best to replicate Burton's Gotham.



First building, with Joker billboard



Tried to put Gothic themes and statues, etc too



Another Gothic building attempt, hope  this goes well, lol........



You can see the beginning of the ride, which I plan to  have as the Batcave.... I haven't finished all the coaster yet s  this is just half of it




The Batmobile rollercoaster. It  has bat shaped back to it



The only pieces I have  to  work with. The re st  will have to be film stills  on  different sized billboards, if only I knew  how to make custom scenery  in Google sketch I would  love to have the Keaton Batmobile  in there




Hope  you like it, lol

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Which do you think is better, and why?

I personally prefer the Returns suit because I think it has a more classic feel, and for some reason I like  the cape better

Batman Returns:




Batman Forever

What   about this piece of junk,?  lol

My argument is that Furst's Batmobile would've looked out of place in Schumacher's Gotham City. It feels of a piece with Burton's movies... in a way that Schumacher's Batmobile wouldn't. They're both good and fit their respective movies like a glove. What more can you ask for?

I see your point on that,  I guess the lights on the Forever Batmobile blend in with the neon lights of that films Gotham City, wheras I couldn't really imagine it parked up in  the dark, snowy back street of Batman Returns.. the  lights on the car and the big Batman symbols on the wheels would stand out too horribly.

Compare this:






To  this:



I don't  think it was necessary   to change the Batmobile....... since all it needed was repairing in Batman Returns


Cheers   for welcome : )

I personally prefer  the Tim Burton Batmobile, it looks sleeker, more classic looking  and none of those lights that are on the Forever Batmobile


Opinions? : )