With the success of FOREVER, another film went into the works. Val Kilmer dropped out due to scheduling constraints. Yeah right, I bet that's his polite way of saying, ?This trash will mark my career no longer, Mr. Schumacher.? Didn't care for his Bat but good move Mr. Kilmer, get off the ship already sinking.
You know, there are a lot of tasteless reviews out there concerning Batman & Robin...
Here's another one...
For a long time now, I've tried to put my thoughts together on how to review this film. At one point I considered listing all the things I hated about it numerically, but I will never have enough time. Forgive me if the review is brief. Most of my opinions are frightfully direct and to the point in this case, not necessitating further explanation. I can say, without reservation, that BATMAN & ROBIN is the worst film that was ever made by a studio, bar none. The depression era films depicting flights of patronizing fancy about getting into money and high praises during musical numbers doesn't even come close. Even if you put aside the misinterpretation of Batman, it?s STILL the worst film ever produced by a studio. Just for a moment, set aside the light campy Batman and consider that this version was an incarnation direct from the 60's comics that were taking their cues from the show, so it's valid in a certain sense. Even THEN, even when you try to view it as a parody, it STILL makes one sick to their stomach.
The Review.
It's a mish mash of incoherency, lack of plot mixed with stupid clich?s, bad acting, nods to the worst TV show of all time, and obvious toy marketing.
I wish I could say more than that on the overview, but I don't like using too many four-letter words in my reviews. Sorry. Maybe someday I'll give you an unedited, Tony Montana version.
CAST
George Clooney is a MARVELOUS actor and director (Good Night and Good Luck.) But he wasn't a good Batman. Hey, he admits it fully and has moved on to make many great films. Because of that, I refuse to bash him for it.
Alicia Silverstone is a poor actress. Period. How she ever got past films like Clueless is beyond me.
Uma Thurman is a great actress, but under Schumacher's direction follows suit in acting like she's in front of a kindergarten class.
Arnold may have, and I say that loosely, may have been a good Freeze had he not been limited to constant ice references and metaphors in every bit of dialogue he had.
Chris O'Donnell still makes my skin crawl.
Why bother with anyone else...
Same five minutes of music.
The acid trip sets complete their metamorphosis into a drug overdose.
(Told ya this review was short and sweet..bitter?because don?t we already know how bad this film is? Why go into too much detail? We don?t want to have flash backs of the film when we try to sleep tonight do we?)
To wrap this all up, I wish to address Joel Schumacher and the WB (Like they will read this.) Bare in mind this is merely the opinion of this reviewer. Mr. Schumacher you stole what was to be the greatest Superhero trilogy of all time from the now christened (Finally, I can use that in a sentence) Burton Batfans. Oh, people have tried to make excuses, the popular one being because so much was cut out of FOREVER, you deliberately ruined B&R. If that's true, in my opinion, you're a hack who'll go to any lengths to be vindicated when you don't get your way even if that means jeopardizing the careers of those working under you, actors, set designers, script writers, etc and that means you shouldn't be a director at all. Or maybe you thought it was really good...I don't see how...Either way, shame on you.
And WB, what the hell were you thinking?
Sigh...fin
as bad as everything was, the use (or mis-use) of Bane was unforgiveable.
heh heh. See, Im in a vast minority in the fact that I dont hate or bash on B&R. I respect everyones opinion on this movie, (who am I to judge a persons individual tatse?), but I was a defender of this film from opening day. Now, everyone who knows me knows that the Burton films are the all time favorites for me, not one of the Batfilms since, including Begins, even comes close. Also, Batman and Robin is at the bottom of the list for movies for me, but I dont hate it. Its just not my version of Batman. I once wrote a review myself on Batman and Robin titles "A Light Knight and a Neon Gotham", I had it posted on my MySpace blog, but it has since been deleted. I actually still have it written out in my notebook. One day when I have the time Ill repost it. I actually got some nice compliments on it.
Quote from: Gotham Knight on Sat, 5 Jan 2008, 16:24
I can say, without reservation, that BATMAN & ROBIN is the worst film that was ever made by a studio, bar none.
You
really need to get out and watch more movies.
What did Batman & Robin do well?
For me, the scene where Freeze carves a figure of his wife in ice and has it rotate on a clockwork mechanism was well done and showed what could have been.
others?
The Alfred subplot was great. Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy was nice eye candy. Freeze watching wedding footage and managing to shed a single tear. The ice sculpture scene. One of the last scenes where Freeze walks in on an imprisoned Ivy... that scene was well into awesome territory.
Batman and Robin sky-surfing down to Gotham with the explosion in the background. Superb CGI cinematography there.
Batman crashing through the windshield of the "Freezemobile."
The chase scene down the arm of the giant man statue.
Batman's cape uncovering a fallen and apprehended Mr. Freeze.
The subplot of Robin losing trust in Batman, and Batman having to regain that trust so they can exploit their powerful partnership to thwart Freeze and Ivy's plan to ice the world over.
i think the sky-surfing was a bit much! :-\
Quote from: Gotham Knight on Sat, 5 Jan 2008, 16:24nods to the worst TV show of all time
Are you referring to the 60's Batman show... if so that is were we disagree...
If it wasn't for that show we wouldn't have batman 1989 - why?
Because the public wouldn't care for the character. That show made batman the icon he is today. Without it Keaton wouldn't have got to touch his dark Rubber bat-suit!!!
What about the spider-man movies? They also had a poorly recieved television series (though personally i love it and still watch it to this day).
It didn't impact on the movies.
Quote from: Darth Vader on Mon, 7 Jan 2008, 01:18
Quote from: Gotham Knight on Sat, 5 Jan 2008, 16:24
I can say, without reservation, that BATMAN & ROBIN is the worst film that was ever made by a studio, bar none.
You really need to get out and watch more movies.
You really need to learn the meaning of an
opinion. Considering it wasn't only a bad film, but it put a franchise to death and even raised a question in the future of comic book films as a genre, I feel it is my right to consider this the worst studio blunder ever hatched.
QuoteThat show made batman the icon he is today. Without it Keaton wouldn't have got to touch his dark Rubber bat-suit!!!
It didn't make Batman an icon, it meerly exposed him to popular culture. The mainstream forgot it until the rebirth, it was only a memory in the sense that it was the bane of most fans of Batman. It's only iconic now after looking at the stark contrast between it and the burton/Nolan films.
Quote from: Gotham Knight on Mon, 7 Jan 2008, 15:27You really need to learn the meaning of an opinion. Considering it wasn't only a bad film, but it put a franchise to death and even raised a question in the future of comic book films as a genre, I feel it is my right to consider this the worst studio blunder ever hatched.
You made a thread so we can discuss your review, and that's what we're doing. It's all your opinion, sure. But if you're going to make a bold statement about B&R being the worst movie produced by a studio, I'll again state (and this is of course
my opinion):
You really need a more comprehensive collection of films under your viewing belt.
Quote from: Darth Vader on Mon, 7 Jan 2008, 17:50
Quote from: Gotham Knight on Mon, 7 Jan 2008, 15:27You really need to learn the meaning of an opinion. Considering it wasn't only a bad film, but it put a franchise to death and even raised a question in the future of comic book films as a genre, I feel it is my right to consider this the worst studio blunder ever hatched.
You made a thread so we can discuss your review, and that's what we're doing. It's all your opinion, sure. But if you're going to make a bold statement about B&R being the worst movie produced by a studio, I'll again state (and this is of course my opinion):
You really need a more comprehensive collection of films under your viewing belt.
I do, thank you very much. And though the films like those Buster Keaton made for MGN paired with Jimmy Durante, Shock Treatment the ill-fated sequel to Rocky Horror, every subsequent sequel to Dirty Harry, the massive flops that are Cleopatra and Water World, and Ishstar-(Dustin Hoffman) are all contenders, I feel that Batman and Robin is the worst. Perhaps what I?m saying you don?t need to make the bold assumptions that
I really need a more comprehensive collection of films under my viewing belt. Considering other than my fandom of the Batman, you no nothing about me, it seems to me that you wouldn?t make such an assumption. If you want to discuss my review and disagree that the B&R is the worst, then please do so, but don?t insult me.
Perhaps instead of that, you should have asked me
why I think so if the review seemed incomplete for you, rather than trying to shoot what I said down, or better yet name a few films you think are the worst. I notice you didn?t counter with any examples.
Quote from: Gotham Knight on Mon, 7 Jan 2008, 19:28
better yet name a few films you think are the worst. I notice you didn?t counter with any examples.
Catwoman :D
On the topic of things that were good with B&R, I agree that the scene with Freeze carving the sculpture was one of the best villain scenes ever. Arnold did a great job of showing his pain and loss with just that one scene, not saying a word.
The scenes between Bruce and Alfred were very well done an touching. It showed the strong bond that the 2 of them have. The surrogate father as it were. "I love you, old man." It was a great scene.
The conflict between Batman and Robin was done well. Especially with the added tension caused by Ivy. However, my favorite part was towards the end when Bruce gives his last plea to Dick to listen to him and to help him. "Im asking you, friend, partner,...brother." That was good.
I also liked the redemption speech that Batman gave to Freeze when he was defeated. "...anyone can take a life, but to give life..."
Clooneys Batman did have alot of compassion and hope.
Seems my little comment ... no lets call it more of an OPINION... sparked a bit of debate!!!
I'm probably talking to a brick wall when it comes to this site (considering its purpose its not surprising)...
But i find it important to recognize and appreciate all aspects of batman in all forms of media!!!
Trust me, i am a HUGE,HUGE Burton/batman fan so i love his two movies but we need to realize there is more than just those and they weren't entirely perfect in capturing batman.
The 60's batman, for e.g. is just as important and valid in his legacy as anything else!!!
Not at all. And now that you put that way I agree with that statement. I just took offense to being insulted by Vader in regards to my opinion of this film
Eye of the beholder, my friend - remember that!!
Read a few 50/60's batman comics and see a faithful adaption. Heck the 60's show even pulled back (i.e. no space aliens)
Sorry to be the one to start such a heated debate but things like this really annoy me. Trust me it was because of Adam West etc. that Batman seeped into the nation's psychosis!!
Quote from: Gotham Knight on Mon, 7 Jan 2008, 22:48
Not at all. And now that you put that way I agree with that statement. I just took offense to being insulted by Vader in regards to my opinion of this film
I didn't realize how sensitive you were when I made my comment. ::)
Hmm. A pretty bad movie has already been cited... Catwoman. Watch:
Home Town Story starring Marilyn Monroe. That's one of the most pointless-ass and dull movies I've ever watched.
Quote from: Homer Bat on Mon, 7 Jan 2008, 21:58
I'm probably talking to a brick wall when it comes to this site (considering its purpose its not surprising)...
But i find it important to recognize and appreciate all aspects of batman in all forms of media!!!
This site is focused towards Burton's Batman movies - always has been. There are a tonne of sites that give Batman in all forms of media. This is not to say this site discounts other forms of Batman, that's what the forum is for. I wouldn't call myself a brick wall. :)
Quote from: Darth Vader on Tue, 8 Jan 2008, 07:42
I didn't realize how sensitive you were when I made my comment. ::)
Hmm. A pretty bad movie has already been cited... Catwoman.
Yes, they were cited but not by you, who made the comment, who by claiming that I didn't have enough under by belt was obligated to prove you did, thus backing your own statements up, instead of making unsubstantiated remarks.
Quote from: Darth Vader on Tue, 8 Jan 2008, 07:42Watch: Home Town Story starring Marilyn Monroe. That's one of the most pointless-ass and dull movies I've ever watched.
You still don't understand that throwing other bad movies at me to watch may still not change my opinion, which is the whole point. Me having a different opinion than you does not mean I am somehow less familiar with other films. In stating what you did you tried to solidify your opinion as
fact and that was a poor thing to do. If this was not your intention, you should choose your words more cafefully.
... ::)
Quote from: Darth Vader on Tue, 8 Jan 2008, 18:50
... ::)
What? Don?t have an adequate response? Then don?t hide behind a defense of uninterested superiority, just say so.
I'd already responded. You're just spewing the same drivel out. Nobody cares, dude.
C'mon guys, everyones opinion should be respected on this board as long as it is presented in an intelligent and civil manner. What we dont want to see is blatant name calling or unfair critisizm of something or someone. This may be a Burton forum, but we also discuss the other realms of Batman, so if someone has something to say on a non Burton topic, thats fine, lets discuss it, but lets all be open in listening to anothers view. If you disagree with the way another sees something, say so, and tell us why you view it differently, without throwing in jabs. Thats what discussion is, and thats we want here.
So lets continue on. :)
Well said.
Out of all the Batman movies, B&R is probably my little sisters favourite. And if she is watching it I will watch along with her - there are very few movies we could watch together, so thank you Mr Schumacher.
Ok folks now Batman & Robin sucks so bad
It's Val Kilmer!
Although a lot of criticism has been dumped on Schumacher for B&R, how much was actually WB's fault?
Quote from: raleagh on Mon, 19 May 2008, 09:12
Although a lot of criticism has been dumped on Schumacher for B&R, how much was actually WB's fault?
I think is half and half.
WB pretty much said to him to do something more kid-friendly and put forward the campiness. Schumacher, in the end, made all the concepts and ideas.
I don't think either should be forgiven.
What were they thinking?
I blissfully choose to ignore this scar on the Batman name. It butchers the characters and has very little bearing to the Batman character.
It is a terrible embarrassment, and the template of what not to do. The only good it brought was the Nolan series.
Actually, Batman & Robin is great!
If the film's stupidity was toned down and turned out to be a half-decent piece of colorful boredom like Forever, with decent returns to the studio, Schumacher would surely helm Batman 5 which would be at best average (even with the dark ideas he said he had), and the franchise would die slowly and it would take for Batman forever to take off again. The trash that started with Batman Forever HAD to end with a BIG BANG!
There was nothing to save the old Batman series, it's better the old series died in such a way so BB was made after 8 years. My problem isn't that a proper Batman 3 was never made, it's just this lash-out against the classic Burton films and their grouping together with Schumacher's (studio-ordered) trash.
- However, I doubt the studio ordered all this homosexual subtext (or supertext?) with Two-Face/Riddler, Kilmer/O'Donnel and Clooney/O'Donnel acting like couples, not to mention the nipples, the butt-shots and all these huge statues of naked guys. Someone could write a big commentary of the two flicks from this perspective :)
Quote from: silenig on Wed, 23 Jul 2008, 16:05
Actually, Batman & Robin is great!
That's brave.
Batman And Robin was a dissapointment
the acting by Arnold was bad and Clooney was a lame choice for Bruce Wayne. Why didnt they just stop the movies when Keaton quit. Batman, Returns and Forever are the real Batman Legacy (a dvd boxset containing all the movies). Batman And Robin is like a spoof of all the other movies
the storyline was pointless, it had no resemblance to Batman, and Bane is just ridiculous, it is the worst superhero movie EVER its even better than SupermanIV
the movie had the same feel of a badly done fan movie (some bad ones are better than
THIS) well see ya soon
BatmanForever
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 24 Jul 2008, 02:53
Quote from: silenig on Wed, 23 Jul 2008, 16:05
Actually, Batman & Robin is great!
That's brave.
I mean it! Something offendingly bad is much better than something *yawn* boring.
exactly ;D
I?ll put it down to morbid curiosity.
hmm yerr
Every now and then, you still hear people say that "Clooney would've made a good Batman if..." and then they mention some highly improbably scenario where a worthy director toting a worthy script commanding a worthy budget somehow manages to make Clooney into something more than a grinning, head-bobbing tool. Nothing, nothing, in Clooney's repetoire even suggests that. He might've been a decent Bruce Wayne but Batman? No way.
So right away, B&R has problems with the headling actor. Always the worst way to start. But the tone of the film makes a mockery of the character, which is unforgiveable. As a style, camp doesn't necessarily need to strike a condescending tone; it's only hackjob filmmakers who can't psychologically process superheroes any other way who craft that kind of tone. Yeah, WB told Schumacher to lighten the franchise but they never said anything about making two campy hackfest abortions with homosexual innuendo flying around like Superman on speed. That part is all Schumacher. Blame WB for firing Burton from the franchise, sure, but blame Schumacher for making the franchise suck.
One thing you can say about B&R is that it's honest in the sense of openly being everything BF pretended not to be. Whether or not that's a positive, well, that's up to you.
Quote
Actually, Batman & Robin is great!
....Come again??
QuoteActually, Batman & Robin is great!
....Come again??
LOL, don't read only the "headline", you should also read the text that follows :)
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu, 24 Jul 2008, 23:34
One thing you can say about B&R is that it's honest in the sense of openly being everything BF pretended not to be. Whether or not that's a positive, well, that's up to you.
As well said as it gets. And this honesty followed by disappointing box-office spared us from a Forever-like half-a$$ed Batman 5 by Schumacher. With Batman Forever the series went in places nobody could save it from. This is why B&R is a "great" movie (as a movie event) - it was honest and ended a series that went to hell with a bang and not a slow death.
I wouldn't say it ended the franchise with a bang. I mean, you see B89 with all those noir and opera influences and then there's B&R, which is nothing but a two hour long double entendre...
Hmm. So actually, maybe the franchise ended on a "bang" after all...
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Fri, 25 Jul 2008, 22:45
then there's B&R, which is nothing but a two hour long double entendre...
Hmm. So actually, maybe the franchise ended on a "bang" after all...
clever! ;D
;D naughty
One of the biggest pieces of big budget cinematic trash, ever, especially because of how much it betrays the spirit of its excellent source material and the films before it. It's just a cheese-fest from beginning to end, coming across as a live-action adaptation of the Adam West series without the WHAM! animations, which was not the goal of the production.
Arnold positively BUTCHERS the role of Mr. Freeze - who is supposed to be an intelligent, brooding character who does NOT wear polar bear bathrobes or have a gang full of skate-wearing goons. He is pensive, near emotionless. The only thing that gives him any level of emotion is his wife. Here, he's spouting comic lines here and there like an idiot, and comes across as a buffoon. There's no real menace here.
Clooney just isn't dark enough to play Batman - his "Hi Freeze, I'm Batman!" is cringe inducing to the point of near-death. I mean, Batman is supposed to have 2 personalities - Bruce Wayne and Batman. For Clooney, they're one and the same. There's no dark, brutal side to Batman here - and Batman, by all means, is dark and brutal. Val Kilmer may have been wooden, but at least he couldn't be described as "goofy". Not to mention Clooney looks positively ridiculous in costume.
Chris O'Donnell, who was at least decent in Forever (even though Robin is supposed to be a KID when he starts out, darn it!), is given no help here with his dialogue, and Alicia Silverstone is atrocious as Batgirl in a totally unnecessary role that gives her character little motivation or impact.
The production design is horrid, with large naked men dotting the landscape, decorated in neon colors. Ugh. That scene with the motorbikes is definitely NOT Batman.
The ONLY, and I mean ONLY, thing that's decent about this film is the casting of Uma Thurman, and even then, she has some of the worst dialogue ever to deliver.
^^Now that's a review.
QuoteThe production design is horrid, with large naked men dotting the landscape, decorated in neon colors.
To paraphrase a wiser man than myself- "you've got men wearing anatomically correct rubber costumes and gigantic codpieces chasing each other around statues of ornately designed naked men while bathed in neon light... yessir, you simply have to
wade through the symbolism in this movie."
Still, I've got it paused right now with the commentary going. Shlockmaker's basic ambitions ("make a FUN and LIGHT Batman, one that doesn't take itself too seriously") are admirable enough. However, B&R's problem is that it's as much making fun of Batman with all that hammy dialogue and those overly elaborate sets as much as trying to deliver a rollercoaster action flick. By logical extension then, it's making fun of the viewer for watching it. It's hard not feel condescended to when you see John Glover, a normally fine actor, get pushed waaaaay over the top or Poison Ivy shriek "CURSES!!" like bad 80's cartoons.
Really, given the strength of Batman's live action legacy at this point, I think I can forgive B&R. Alas, the same cannot be said of Superman Returns (which I've accepted that I'll simply never make peace with).
Lets not forget Mr.Frezze also had nipples on his suit and a metal butt-plate.
Quote from: Sandman on Sat, 9 Aug 2008, 05:52
Lets not forget Mr.Frezze also had nipples on his suit and a metal butt-plate.
Don't remind me. That film is just dire through and through.
The bit that always gets me is despite already building a room to keep Freeze in, just because he helps Batman they put him in a small cell with Poisen Ivy and let him keep his suit they needs million of dollers just to run when they already HAVE A SPECIAL ROOM BUILD FOR HIM.....stupid movie.
Quote from: Sandman on Sat, 9 Aug 2008, 11:21
The bit that always gets me is despite already building a room to keep Freeze in, just because he helps Batman they put him in a small cell with Poisen Ivy and let him keep his suit they needs million of dollers just to run when they already HAVE A SPECIAL ROOM BUILD FOR HIM.....stupid movie.
Yes, nothing in the film makes sense. It is a two hour commercial and nothing else.
Yes and one of those bad commercials that you just want to FF though and never see again.
Quote from: mykbyk on Mon, 11 Aug 2008, 04:56
I think Clooney has been quoted that he would reimburse anyone who paid to see B&R in theaters.
This is true. I just wish the film was never made. I could take having Forever, but Batman and Robin is just too much.
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You really have to appreciate his good humor and candor on the matter.
Yeah at least he can laugh at himself and admit it was bad, i even remember him making fun of the Batnipples once on I.S.T.A.S.
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This is true. I just wish the film was never made. I could take having Forever, but Batman and Robin is just too much.
Same Forever i can stand but this theres just no way. Sad there was so many ways this could have been a good movie.
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I think Clooney has been quoted that he would reimburse anyone who paid to see B&R in theaters.
Then i demend to be reimbursed first for when i saw it at the movies and second for when a little after it came out on vhs and i had to watch it in 12 grade history.
Something Ive noticed over my years of being a Batman fan is that most of all the B&R bashing comes from the internet fans. I have spoken to several people about the Batman movies, and alot of them say they liked B&R and Forever. They think they were fun movies. The "general" movie watchers dont read into films like the majority of you do. They watch it for entertainment. Thats it.
Yeah, but several other people that have an opinion about movies don't necessarily see them as "Bad Batman Movies" because (of course) they don't care for Batman, but they still see them as dumb and loud dated blockbusters with bad acting and boring action.
Quote from: silenig on Tue, 12 Aug 2008, 15:35
Yeah, but several other people that have an opinion about movies don't necessarily see them as "Bad Batman Movies" because (of course) they don't care for Batman, but they still see them as dumb and loud dated blockbusters with bad acting and boring action.
To True
I can stand a bad Batman movie i like the 66 movie and tv show and i even still watch and injoy Forever i admit that it's far from the best movie but even with it's sillyness i can still watch and injoy it. But Batman And Robin is just a plain bad movie movie i can't even injoy it as a turn off your brain movie.
There was also a game based on this "film", released for Playstation 1. It was bad, but not as bad as the game, and had a location called "Axis Chemicals". Some scenes are here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOBZvPycK-w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vktU63ksQ4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdOVpNB6d1s&feature=related
Quote from: silenig on Thu, 28 Aug 2008, 18:17
There was also a game based on this "film", released for Playstation 1. It was bad, but not as bad as the game, and had a location called "Axis Chemicals". Some scenes are here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOBZvPycK-w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vktU63ksQ4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdOVpNB6d1s&feature=related
I actually quite enjoyed the game. Although I never got far in it.
I don't really care about Joel schumachers campy batman films or the 60's tv show, even though I was a fan of the tv show when I was a Kid. If you ask me Batman and Robin is nothing more than a PG-13 version of Sylvester Stallones "Demolition Man" Go rent it and compare it with Batman and Robin. Even Elliot Goldenthal's score uses the same themes. For example when Mr. Freeze goes to see his wife Nora encased in her freezing chamber the music that is playing is actually the theme used for John Spartan. It also seems to me that the best way to view a Joel Scumacher batman film is not to view it as a batman film but to view it as a Robin film. Joel Schumacher's designs and colors for a pop gotham city seemed to be better suited for Robin rather than batman, even robins costume can blend in better than batmans, and if you watch carefully you will see that Chris O'donnell portrayed Robin and Dick Grayson quite seriously take a look at Batman Forever and Batman and Robin. Schumacher himself even said," I never known Batman without Robin". As for the worst movie ever I would have to say "Battlefield Earth" and if that doesn't suffice I can name a whole lot more. I do have respect for everyone's opinion, but I hate it when someone does not have all their facts straight.
Quote from: Dark Hero on Tue, 2 Sep 2008, 00:33
I do have respect for everyone's opinion, but I hate it when someone does not have all their facts straight.
Are you referring to a specific post on this topic? Or just in general? Please elaborate.
Quote from: shadowbat69 on Tue, 2 Sep 2008, 02:12
Quote from: Dark Hero on Tue, 2 Sep 2008, 00:33
I do have respect for everyone's opinion, but I hate it when someone does not have all their facts straight.
Are you referring to a specific post on this topic? Or just in general? Please elaborate.
I am referring in general. I feel that it is important to show respect when listening to someone's opinion. This does not mean that you have to agree with them. Respecting and Agreeing are two different things.
People should always know their facts to back themselves up before they state something.