Bat Ice Skates in Batman & Robin! - they clicked their heels like Dorothy and out came the ice skates - at least we knew in the 1st 5 minutes what crap we were in for - also horrible was the freeze gun being knocked in the air and taking that quick jolt to the side so it could land on that ledge - was it that hard to loft a freeze gun into the air naturally and have it land on a ledge?? - schumaker sucks
i am certain the worse moment is somewhere in joel's movies,but i removed them from my mind because i don't consider them anything specially B&R....
besides it's too hard to find 1 scene where all the 2 movies with all of there scenes are redicolous :) ....so i'll consider only burton and nolan
Batman89:one of the worse for me was when the joker and his gang were ruining paintings in a museum i think...too childish,with the boombox on the shoulder ...painting and dancing...i really did not like it
Quote from: batsam on Tue, 28 Oct 2008, 18:44
i am certain the worse moment is somewhere in joel's movies,but i removed them from my mind because i don't consider them anything specially B&R....
besides it's too hard to find 1 scene where all the 2 movies with all of there scenes are redicolous :) ....so i'll consider only burton and nolan
Batman89:one of the worse for me was when the joker and his gang were ruining paintings in a museum i think...too childish,with the boombox on the shoulder ...painting and dancing...i really did not like it
It was so 80's, especially with Prince blasting in the background haha!
One of the worst things I should say and not moments is how little we see Batman in BR, and how the film is so based on the villains. The action scenes in BR were kinda off to me to also, nowhere nearly as well done as the ones in 89.
Well i guess it's time to bring up the horrible HORRIBLE BatCard scene....never leave home without it.
And in The Dark Knight while Two-Face was my most fav thing about the movie i stll think his face was pretty bad, i know it's a movie and people say "well the fact he lost rachel makes him over come the pain".
Well sorry but thats BS, yes people have learned to contorl pain with years of practice, not just wake up one day and think i can do this, so even a poke to the face would have taken him down and he would have been so open to infection he prob would have been dead soon anyway. And don't get me started on his eye.
Quote from: batsam on Tue, 28 Oct 2008, 18:44
Batman89:one of the worse for me was when the joker and his gang were ruining paintings in a museum i think...too childish,with the boombox on the shoulder ...painting and dancing...i really did not like it
I liked that scene. I see nothing wrong with it.
I thought that the scene from Forever when Edward Nygma is using his boss as a guinea pig to test his box invention was EXTREMELY corny and was one of many scenes with Jim Carrey hijacking, not stealing, the show.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 29 Oct 2008, 03:29
Quote from: batsam on Tue, 28 Oct 2008, 18:44
Batman89:one of the worse for me was when the joker and his gang were ruining paintings in a museum i think...too childish,with the boombox on the shoulder ...painting and dancing...i really did not like it
I liked that scene. I see nothing wrong with it.
I like that scene too, but I have to admit it is straight up 80's cheese! lol
QuoteI liked that scene. I see nothing wrong with it.
Same though it was a tad 80's, but if you replace the prince song it would seem more morden. But it's a pretty good song lol.
Quote from: Sandman on Wed, 29 Oct 2008, 07:03
QuoteI liked that scene. I see nothing wrong with it.
Same though it was a tad 80's, but if you replace the prince song it would seem more morden. But it's a pretty good song lol.
I love that song, its one of my favorite Prince songs of all time, I blast it everytime I go to a bar or club with an internet jukebox haha
My personal opinion on every one and off the top of my head, since I haven't seen these films in at least a couple months:
Batman: The super swordsman thug who comes out of nowhere just when you think the alley fight is done. I didn't see the point, other than to show that Batman's forearm gauntlets can block blades, which could have been shown in a different part of the fight to flow better with what was going on, in my opinion. Plus it's always weird seeing Batman in that moment to me because, in looking at Batman's expression, it doesn't look like it's Keaton in the suit.
Batman Returns: "Eat floor. High fiber." Did they really need that?
Batman Forever: I know there were others, but what even bothered me as a kid was when Bruce Wayne suits up for the final confrontation, ready to stop the supervillains. The audience is pumped for this...and just when Bruce dons the costume to save the day, Schumacher puts in a shot of Batman's @$$. What the hell?
Batman & Robin: Haven't seen the film in years and it's hard to pick from so many. So here is a YouTube compilation that I think points to several moments we can all agree on as cringe-worthy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJWpmPGCR1c
Batman Begins: Sorry, not a fan of the Tumbler chase or the Tumbler as the Batmobile in general. The car chase just didn't feel fresh to me.
The Dark Knight: Gordon faking his death seemed pointless. It was hard to believe Gordon was dead as it was and the execution didn't help. I also didn't care for the ending, but at least I felt some emotion about it.
WOW thanks for the b&r youtube link - i can't believe how bad that was - the whole thing qualifies as a giant worst moment - suddenly i hate george clooney - surely he realized how big a crap he was taking on bat fans -
on another note, i agree on the poor stunt man cover up on the swordsman fight in B89 too - it's not like keaton would have had to do much - did they really need a stuntman for that scene??? - no
Youd be suprised what they have the stuntmen do instead of the actual actors. Keaton did the close ups on that scene. Also, it was easier to have a professional do those moves in that suit. You cant move in those movie suits.
Keaton did barely any of the actual fight scenes or anything where had had to make a fast move. If you watch the extras on the SE of 89 on dvd they explain they hired a number of actors or stuntpeople to don the suit, for moving certain ways and other reasons( to be more fluid with the suit), im pretty sure Keaton was only in the suit for a minimal amount of the film, Shadowbat you probably know exactly how much.
Quote from: DarkVengeance on Thu, 30 Oct 2008, 05:03
Keaton did barely any of the actual fight scenes or anything where had had to make a fast move. If you watch the extras on the SE of 89 on dvd they explain they hired a number of actors or stuntpeople to don the suit, for moving certain ways and other reasons( to be more fluid with the suit), im pretty sure Keaton was only in the suit for a minimal amount of the film, Shadowbat you probably know exactly how much.
But he did do alot to most of his own driving in the Batmobile scenes.
One of the worst things I should say and not moments is how little we see Batman in BR, and how the film is so based on the villains.
i am certain about Batman89 was more appreciated than BB for other reasons than this,just to name some,was the first batman movie,had jack nichlson,and most popular batman enemies:jocker
the museum sabotage could be a tom&jerry scene
applied on a batman movie?and there dacing too,with prince music?find it cool?matter of tastes i guess
Whos the Jocker? lol jk
The scene that always bugged me is Pfieffer's bit in Max's office where she goes on about Ricky Friedburg and stuff. I'm sorry but it was crap. I realize it was supposed to creep everybody in the office out (unbeknownst to Selina, Bruce was immediately smitten by her psychosis, gotta love it) but the material just wasn't there. Not good at all.
For me, the Penguin in the mini-batmobile taking control of the real batmobile.
I like the bat-missile escape scene at the end but generally the rest of the scene is a let down for me.
Quote from: raleagh on Fri, 31 Oct 2008, 09:22
For me, the Penguin in the mini-batmobile taking control of the real batmobile.
I like the bat-missile escape scene at the end but generally the rest of the scene is a let down for me.
Care to explain why?
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Fri, 31 Oct 2008, 10:02
Quote from: raleagh on Fri, 31 Oct 2008, 09:22
For me, the Penguin in the mini-batmobile taking control of the real batmobile.
I like the bat-missile escape scene at the end but generally the rest of the scene is a let down for me.
Care to explain why?
Yeah, cause I can't help but love it.
For me, the Penguin in the mini-batmobile taking control of the real batmobile.
I like the bat-missile escape scene at the end but generally the rest of the scene is a let down for me.
Care to explain why?
i guess he don't :)
i liked that too,even now i'm thinking of it and laughing :D
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Fri, 31 Oct 2008, 10:02
Quote from: raleagh on Fri, 31 Oct 2008, 09:22
For me, the Penguin in the mini-batmobile taking control of the real batmobile.
I like the bat-missile escape scene at the end but generally the rest of the scene is a let down for me.
Care to explain why?
I don't hate it, but if I have to pick a scene from Burton's it would be that.
Probably, because the Penguin was able to get control of the Batmobile and that he also had a miniature version of the Batmobile.
I would have left it that the public blame Batman for killing the Ice Princess and chase him. But that's only my opinion :)
Fair enough I guess.
Quote from: raleagh on Sat, 1 Nov 2008, 12:31
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Fri, 31 Oct 2008, 10:02
Quote from: raleagh on Fri, 31 Oct 2008, 09:22
For me, the Penguin in the mini-batmobile taking control of the real batmobile.
I like the bat-missile escape scene at the end but generally the rest of the scene is a let down for me.
Care to explain why?
I don't hate it, but if I have to pick a scene from Burton's it would be that.
Probably, because the Penguin was able to get control of the Batmobile and that he also had a miniature version of the Batmobile.
I would have left it that the public blame Batman for killing the Ice Princess and chase him. But that's only my opinion :)
I agree to a point, that part is really cheesy, like where the hell did he get a mini batmobile from, to mold it and all, it was too unrealistic!
I think most people will agree with me that the Joel films are the worst in the Batman movie franchise so far! I hadn't even seen the Batman & Robin film except the 10 minutes at the end, and that was enough to put me off. :( My nephew and brother tell me that the whole film is ridiculous.
Quote from: Knight-of-Darkness on Sun, 2 Nov 2008, 14:11
I think most people will agree with me that the Joel films are the worst in the Batman movie franchise so far! I hadn't even seen the Batman & Robin film except the 10 minutes at the end, and that was enough to put me off. :( My nephew and brother tell me that the whole film is ridiculous.
you must watch batman and robin, at least for a laugh!
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;D I guess I will watch it anyway, no matter how bad it is. I'm really curious about the parts my brother keeps telling me about...something about the batmobile driving up the side of a giant statue, then back down again the other side. ;D
Quote from: DarkVengeance on Sat, 1 Nov 2008, 22:06
Quote from: raleagh on Sat, 1 Nov 2008, 12:31
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Fri, 31 Oct 2008, 10:02
Quote from: raleagh on Fri, 31 Oct 2008, 09:22
For me, the Penguin in the mini-batmobile taking control of the real batmobile.
I like the bat-missile escape scene at the end but generally the rest of the scene is a let down for me.
Care to explain why?
I don't hate it, but if I have to pick a scene from Burton's it would be that.
Probably, because the Penguin was able to get control of the Batmobile and that he also had a miniature version of the Batmobile.
I would have left it that the public blame Batman for killing the Ice Princess and chase him. But that's only my opinion :)
I agree to a point, that part is really cheesy, like where the hell did he get a mini batmobile from, to mold it and all, it was too unrealistic!
I used to think Batman had become so popular in Gotham that build kiddie rides in the shape of his Batmobile, And that Penguin stole one.
yeah the batmobile chase up and down the statue in B&R was bad - also didn't care for it driving up the side of that building in batman forever - wouldn't he have crashed into an air conditioner or 20, and how'd he get it down?
schumaker sucks
Quote from: Knight-of-Darkness on Sun, 2 Nov 2008, 14:11
I think most people will agree with me that the Joel films are the worst in the Batman movie franchise so far! I hadn't even seen the Batman & Robin film except the 10 minutes at the end, and that was enough to put me off. :( My nephew and brother tell me that the whole film is ridiculous.
Not only did the movie blow big time, but almost every scene and piece of music seemed to be recycled from Forever!
Quote from: Sandman on Sun, 2 Nov 2008, 23:15
I used to think Batman had become so popular in Gotham that build kiddie rides in the shape of his Batmobile, And that Penguin stole one.
Pretty good thought there, Sandman. Penguin merely upgraded his to work with the triangle circus gang's gismos.
Quote from: batass4880 on Mon, 3 Nov 2008, 02:16
Quote from: Knight-of-Darkness on Sun, 2 Nov 2008, 14:11
I think most people will agree with me that the Joel films are the worst in the Batman movie franchise so far! I hadn't even seen the Batman & Robin film except the 10 minutes at the end, and that was enough to put me off. :( My nephew and brother tell me that the whole film is ridiculous.
Not only did the movie blow big time, but almost every scene and piece of music seemed to be recycled from Forever!
Thats another thing that REALLY bothered me about batman and robin, even the story is slightly ripped off from forever.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon, 3 Nov 2008, 02:40
Quote from: Sandman on Sun, 2 Nov 2008, 23:15
I used to think Batman had become so popular in Gotham that build kiddie rides in the shape of his Batmobile, And that Penguin stole one.
Pretty good thought there, Sandman. Penguin merely upgraded his to work with the triangle circus gang's gismos.
That would tie in with Hamm's original script where Bat-merchandise was everywhere. But in the context of the movie it isn't explained.
Quote from: raleagh on Mon, 3 Nov 2008, 09:14
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon, 3 Nov 2008, 02:40
Quote from: Sandman on Sun, 2 Nov 2008, 23:15
I used to think Batman had become so popular in Gotham that build kiddie rides in the shape of his Batmobile, And that Penguin stole one.
Pretty good thought there, Sandman. Penguin merely upgraded his to work with the triangle circus gang's gismos.
That would tie in with Hamm's original script where Bat-merchandise was everywhere. But in the context of the movie it isn't explained.
But do we really need everything explained?
No we don't because we have the reference of unused material and the will to put pieces together. But from POV of the average movie-goer it is not explained and just seen as un-realistic and jokey.
Quote from: raleagh on Mon, 3 Nov 2008, 10:31
But from POV of the average movie-goer it is not explained and just seen as un-realistic and jokey.
Meh. I don't really care about what the casual viewer thinks. They probably are the haters who don't want to like it anyway. The Burton films shouldn't be self concious and pander like that. People don't need to be spoon fed everything.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon, 3 Nov 2008, 10:52
Quote from: raleagh on Mon, 3 Nov 2008, 10:31
But from POV of the average movie-goer it is not explained and just seen as un-realistic and jokey.
Meh. I don't really care about what the casual viewer thinks. They probably are the haters who don't want to like it anyway. The Burton films shouldn't be self concious and pander like that. People don't need to be spoon fed everything.
Exactomundo! Burton's movies are so sweet because they are very dark but are also fun.
Quote from: raleagh on Mon, 3 Nov 2008, 10:31
No we don't because we have the reference of unused material and the will to put pieces together. But from POV of the average movie-goer it is not explained and just seen as un-realistic and jokey.
That's probably my biggest 'huh?" in the two Burton flicks. No, the audience didn't need to be spoon fed. But thats something that NEEDED further explanation.
Quote from: Gotham Knight on Mon, 3 Nov 2008, 15:26
Quote from: raleagh on Mon, 3 Nov 2008, 10:31
No we don't because we have the reference of unused material and the will to put pieces together. But from POV of the average movie-goer it is not explained and just seen as un-realistic and jokey.
That's probably my biggest 'huh?" in the two Burton flicks. No, the audience didn't need to be spoon fed. But thats something that NEEDED further explanation.
I agree theres some things that are a little left unsaid as to why they are the way they are!
Yeah, but if you are gonna show a mini-batmobile give some reference about where it came from.
If not, then don't use it - just have a generic merry-go round vehicle like the duck.
Ok , but in that case the same thing must be applied on all... like the helicopter umbrella,batarang,batwing and batskiboat etc... they did not introduce to us any engineers or military prototype equipment,lot of things are missing,.... or is it that those explanations are not needed?
personally if we have only 120min movie once it 3 years i would prefer to see a classic batman story line rather than those tech-fantasy details...put them in the extras on a home dvd...
or you could do that if we had more time like in a miniseries batman tv show....but this is only my point of view
Quote from: raleagh on Wed, 5 Nov 2008, 11:46
Yeah, but if you are gonna show a mini-batmobile give some reference about where it came from.
If not, then don't use it - just have a generic merry-go round vehicle like the duck.
I agree, that part didnt really work for me either!That and how the hell did they just magically get the blueprints for the batmobile? That could never happen!
The worst moments from the Batman films would have to be when there is a critical "make-up malfunction" in a particular scene.
For example the splodge on Joker's neck in 89'. Which at first, I believed was intentionally placed on his neck as some sort of "chemical scar" but we all know now it's not.
Then the scene I dread and love at the same time in Returns when Michael Keaton removes his mask. You'll notice before he removes his mask he has the black makeup under his eyes. Then there is a cut back to Keaton's face where he, all of a sudden has no black makeup under his eyes, before removing the batman mask!
There could have been alot of different approaches to that particular scene. Instead, it makes everyone feel like a primate, scratching our heads and what not.
The worst moments from the Batman films would have to be when there is a critical "make-up malfunction" in a particular scene.
For example the splodge on Joker's neck in 89'. Which at first, I believed was intentionally placed on his neck as some sort of "chemical scar" but we all know now it's not.
Then the scene I dread and love at the same time in Returns when Michael Keaton removes his mask. You'll notice before he removes his mask he has the black makeup under his eyes. Then there is a cut back to Keaton's face where he, all of a sudden has no black makeup under his eyes, before removing the batman mask!
yes i understand,but these were some sort of not intentional errors.
take my words for granted!! prince music in a batman movie is a lot worse :)
Personally I love Prince's music in '89, a mistake like not explaining how the heck they got actual BLUEPRINTS for the batmobile is way too far fetched for me to buy!
Quote from: Joker89 on Thu, 6 Nov 2008, 00:02
The worst moments from the Batman films would have to be when there is a critical "make-up malfunction" in a particular scene.
For example the splodge on Joker's neck in 89'. Which at first, I believed was intentionally placed on his neck as some sort of "chemical scar" but we all know now it's not.
I didn't think it was a chemical scar but a shadow of the collar from his coat, since he just stepped into the light to reveal his new look.
Quote from: DarkVengeance on Wed, 5 Nov 2008, 19:46
...how the hell did they just magically get the blueprints for the batmobile? That could never happen!
Yeah I never thought about that. If they had blueprints of the Batmobile then they probably had a map of the Batcave and Wayne Manor! But obviously they didn't.
They could have scanned the Batmobile with some device when he had it parked out in the street or something. I have no idea how they got those blueprints, but it doesn't really matter I guess.
did you guys really notice the purple blotch on joker's neck before burton pointed it out in the SE?? - i've watched it so many times and never picked up on that til the dvds last yr
be honest!
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 6 Nov 2008, 01:20
They could have scanned the Batmobile with some device when he had it parked out in the street or something. I have no idea how they got those blueprints, but it doesn't really matter I guess.
Well it matters to me, its basically saying all of Batman's hard work and security on his vehicle, his technology and his secret hideout can just be found that easily, YA RIGHT! In the film you can obviously tell they wouldnt have the technology just yet to just "scan" something and get blueprints from it, plus the shield is always on the batmobile when its in public and batman isnt using it, it is just a terrible majorly bad plot hole.
Quote from: WingedFreak71 on Thu, 6 Nov 2008, 01:51
did you guys really notice the purple blotch on joker's neck before burton pointed it out in the SE?? - i've watched it so many times and never picked up on that til the dvds last yr
be honest!
No. I didn't know what it was because until I heard it was an error, I only owned the VHS copy of the movie and just assumed it was a shadow of his collar after thinking about it for a tiny bit.
Also, at the very beginning of the movie, I had no idea what to make of the overhead shot of Batman on one of the Cathedral towers after that woman tourist screams. It wasn't until I could zoom in on the DVD that I realized that it was him responding to the scream and that it was probably animated.
yeah the little animated batman at the beginning always seemed imperfect to me
I did watch that on the SE. They said the blotch got on his neck because of his white makeup kept coming off onto his coat, so they took purple boot polish and put it on the coat, which was is why it came off on his neck.
I had no idea about the purple patch on Joker's neck in his introduction scene until I heard about it not too long ago. It doesn't matter at all that it is there. It doesn't need to be explained, it's just some mess on his neck that he can't be bothered taking off.
I never knew it was there untill i read about it. I don't rememeber if it's on my VHS but it is on the DVD which is really weird. Mabye it's just somthing about the DVD?, It sure is an odd thing though.
I saw it as a kid and thought it was either a shadow or some other injury sustained from the bullets or the fall into acid. Never invested much thought into it though.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 6 Nov 2008, 01:20
They could have scanned the Batmobile with some device when he had it parked out in the street or something. I have no idea how they got those blueprints, but it doesn't really matter I guess.
Actually it's quite obvious where they got them - The Official Book of Batman Returns by Michael Singer. I saw them in there. ;)
Quote from: raleagh on Thu, 6 Nov 2008, 19:46
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 6 Nov 2008, 01:20
They could have scanned the Batmobile with some device when he had it parked out in the street or something. I have no idea how they got those blueprints, but it doesn't really matter I guess.
Actually it's quite obvious where they got them - The Official Book of Batman Returns by Michael Singer. I saw them in there. ;)
Ahhh well that explains everything, thanks for clearing that one up. lol
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 6 Nov 2008, 01:20
They could have scanned the Batmobile with some device when he had it parked out in the street or something. I have no idea how they got those blueprints, but it doesn't really matter I guess.
I believe this was actually written in Daniel Waters's first draft. I haven't read it in awhile, but I believe in that, the Circus Gang actually go into the store to attack Max. Batman comes to the rescue. Now with Batman distracted, Penguin and the gang scan the Batmobile or take photos of it or something like that.
But it was cut and rewritten.
Quote from: BatmAngelus on Thu, 6 Nov 2008, 20:02
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 6 Nov 2008, 01:20
They could have scanned the Batmobile with some device when he had it parked out in the street or something. I have no idea how they got those blueprints, but it doesn't really matter I guess.
I believe this was actually written in Daniel Waters's first draft. I haven't read it in awhile, but I believe in that, the Circus Gang actually go into the store to attack Max. Batman comes to the rescue. Now with Batman distracted, Penguin and the gang scan the Batmobile or take photos of it or something like that.
But it was cut and rewritten.
Im glad it was cause that sounds stupid, the Red Triangle Circus gang most definitly did not have the technology or funds for a device such as this, they're not multi-millionaires like Bruce that can afford to play around with that expensive of technological devices. That part of the film will always bug me, its sooo far fetched its not even funny, I guess they thought people "just wouldnt notice" but I sure as hell did, on opening night back in 92 when I was a kid.
i thought worse moments where scenes and acts that were intentionally filmed as part of the story,(Example:missiles on penguins back(bad moment for some of you,but not for me!!))
not to consider worse moments scenes that had some small technical error due to the fact its a 20years old movie and had no computer and 3d animation to be created or corrected with....probably this kind of defects if they can be called that way can be seen on all other movies of that era,so its not a matter with batman alone !!
about the blueprints,the clown putting the control unit under the batmobile had an x-ray and a thermal camera for getting the engine shape and everything else under the hood...do we really need this kind of explanation??i insist prince music is the worse part :)
Quote from: batsam on Thu, 6 Nov 2008, 20:20
i thought worse moments where scenes and acts that were intentionally filmed as part of the story,(Example:missiles on penguins back(bad moment for some of you,but not for me!!))
But that scene was even in the comic's if i remember right. I love that scene though.
QuoteIm glad it was cause that sounds stupid, the Red Triangle Circus gang most definitly did not have the the Red Triangle Circus gang for a device such as this, they're not multi-millionaires like Bruce that can afford to play around with that expensive of technological devices. That part of the film will always bug me, its sooo far fetched its not even funny, I guess they thought people "just wouldnt notice" but I sure as hell did, on opening night back in 92 when I was a kid.
Well it's not like Penguin or the Red Triangle Circus gang were dumb, they really seemed to know what they where doing. Don't forget also that they where also cold blooded killers, mabye they found people with the technological devices killed them and stole them. Remember Penguin wasn't going to lets anything stop him.
Quote from: Sandman on Thu, 6 Nov 2008, 21:49
Well it's not like Penguin or the Red Triangle Circus gang were dumb, they really seemed to know what they where doing. Don't forget also that they where also cold blooded killers, mabye they found people with the technological devices killed them and stole them. Remember Penguin wasn't going to lets anything stop him.
Bingo.
Did I hear someone say BR didnt have any computer effects? Thats weird cause it was still one of the first films to use CGI technology for some of the shots in the film, anyone that has the SE dvd of BR would know that.
Did I hear someone say BR didnt have any computer effects? Thats weird cause it was still one of the first films to use CGI technology for some of the shots in the film, anyone that has the SE dvd of BR would know that.
I know to who you are talking to...
the little animated batman at the beginning
is not from "batman returns".....anyone that has the SE, 1st dvds,laserdisc ,vhs of BR or even an internet connection would know that too!!! ;)
Ahh maybe I was confused Im not talking about the beginning of '89 the "shadow cartoon" batman you guys are discussing. Its funny you say someone will all of those sources would know all of that stuff, but half the people on here, dont know nearly as much as they tend to act like they do!
The credit card thing in B&R.
I think everyone hated that.
I loved it haha
You can hate somthing but still laugh your ass off at it.
You can love it and laugh at it too.
this site definitely has me overanalyzing burton's bats like never before - but anyway i guess when they're at the parade and vicki is suddenly in the car and runs knox over - not a WORST moment but not great for me - he should have been knocked out by a goon - preferably bob
Speaking of that moment, did anyone notice when the Joker took the gun from Bob, for a split second Bob reacts to the gunshot before Joker pulls the trigger? I know this is common trivia but I honestly noticed this before I read about it.
Also, the gunshot seemed to just fart out smoke like a toy cap gun. I thought they used empty shells or blanks for movies and there would be an explosion with a flame coming out of the barrel, but obviously no bullets.
Blanks can still emit a small amount of shrapnel - perhaps for safety reasons and with so many people about that wasn't allowed.
Quote from: raleagh on Wed, 19 Nov 2008, 09:49
Blanks can still emit a small amount of shrapnel - perhaps for safety reasons and with so many people about that wasn't allowed.
We wouldnt want old Jack dying on the set now would we?
Nothing can kill Jack, he's unstopable. :)
Quote from: Sandman on Wed, 19 Nov 2008, 21:36
Nothing can kill Jack, he's unstopable. :)
Except The Bucket List, that can kill him!
Oh that's just cold.
Quote from: Sandman on Wed, 26 Nov 2008, 23:19
Oh that's just cold.
Hey he's pretty cold himself in some of the jokes he's made about people, so Im just channeling him against himself lol.
For whom did he joke about and what did he say about them?
Quote from: batass4880 on Thu, 27 Nov 2008, 03:28
For whom did he joke about and what did he say about them?
I dont really care, his best work is behind him!
Quote from: DarkVengeance on Thu, 27 Nov 2008, 08:34
Quote from: batass4880 on Thu, 27 Nov 2008, 03:28
For whom did he joke about and what did he say about them?
I dont really care, his best work is behind him!
I wouldn't say that The Departed was awesome, and he was just exellent in it.
Quote from: Sandman on Thu, 27 Nov 2008, 23:59
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Quote from: batass4880 on Thu, 27 Nov 2008, 03:28
For whom did he joke about and what did he say about them?
I dont really care, his best work is behind him!
I wouldn't say that The Departed was awesome, and he was just exellent in it.
That is definitly one of the best films he's done in the last 10 years for sure, I love it.
Also didn't care for the Riddler and Two-Face playing "Battleship". I wonder if they got that idea from Superman III when the villains played an Atari style video game to destroy Superman. Seems like the thing to do in a third DC comic book movie, though I liked it in Superman.
Oh yeah, the picture of Tommy Lee Jones grinning on the Forever poster. SO STUPID!!! :P
I think i know the one you mean, is it the one with the two guns in his crossed arms?.,
Actually I meant this one http://www.batmanmovieonline.com/gallery.php?showpicture=1063 but I know what you're talking about. That one sucks too IMO but maybe if he lost the smile it would've looked cool!
Quote from: batass4880 on Sat, 13 Dec 2008, 00:05
Actually I meant this one http://www.batmanmovieonline.com/gallery.php?showpicture=1063 but I know what you're talking about. That one sucks too IMO but maybe if he lost the smile it would've looked cool!
I actually like all the character posters for forever, including this one, theyre all so colorful and very comic booky.
^ ^ LOL!!!! ;D
that always gives me a great laugh, I watch it to cheer myself up when Im having a bad day!
Batman: When I was a kid I hated the moment when Alicia removed her mask, it's not a worst moment and I don't mind it now, thats the only thing I can think of. I take that back, I hate the song during the parade scene, so STUPID! We were deprived of Elfman writing some Joker/Parade music so we could have Prince!
Batman Returns: Anytime Penguin is wearing that stupid grey jumpsuit! Put him in a coat or something, I don't care if you wanted to show off the bodysuit he was wearing, give him a shirt, pants with suspenders or something, but at least make him dress somewhat like the character in the comics!
Batman Forever: Whenever Jim Carrey opens his mouth.
Batman and Robin: Right before the credits begin to right after the end credits are over. Actually I enjoyed the movie for what it was, but it was pretty bad!
Batman Begins: "Nice Coat". Whenever Batman uses 20 words to say what he can with 5.
The Dark Knight: If he is indeed dead, then it is when Two-Face fall at the end. If he's not dead, then it would be whenever Batman talks with the growly voice.
Quote from: batass4880 on Tue, 2 Dec 2008, 16:17
Also didn't care for the Riddler and Two-Face playing "Battleship". I wonder if they got that idea from Superman III when the villains played an Atari style video game to destroy Superman. Seems like the thing to do in a third DC comic book movie, though I liked it in Superman.
I actually liked the Battleship scene, it didn't make sense, but neither do I!
I actually have a bootleg score to Batman and Robin (no Bat-Fanatic should be without it) and I actually think it is an improvement on the Batman Forever score. Goldenthal didn't just cut and paste the music from Forever(and Demolition Man) into the movie, he acutally re-orchestrated it a tad and as a whole it comes across slightly more serious than the previous score. I think Goldenthal picked up on the fact that Freeze, Ivy, and Bane are not as inherently zany as the Riddler, so while Schumacher was pushing them in the zany direction, Goldenthal was actually scoring them more appropriately to their original characteristics. That is not true across the board, there are some stupid moments in the score, Ivy in particular gets some pretty stupid cues, But overall I found it to be
little bit more mature than Forever musically.
And when I say every Bat-Fanatic should have it, I mean the kind of fans, like me, who will buy the novelization, comic adaptation, action figures and every other piece of merchandise they can even if the film is crap.
Here's mine (although some are things other than moments):
BATMAN: Billy Dee Williams seemed rather dull as Harvey Dent.
Batman Returns: The part when the poodle catches the batarang. I was hoping to see more of it (super batarang!). What's funny is that I sort of find it funny at the same time. :D
Batman Forever: I'm not very fond of Chase Merdian's hooker & stalker behavior.
Batman & Robin: There's a lot of moments, but Bane's characterization was... horrible. There's just no excuse for this.
Batman Begins: Again, there's many moments, but the times Rachel spoke bothered me the most.
The Dark Knight: I thought that most of the Tumbler-to-Batpod scene was useless, & it had Batman doing things that were too out of character.
I completely forgot about Rachel in Batman Begins! "I'm an assistant district attorney, let me pass." She said as if she was saying, "I'm a high school cheerleader, whatever!" Yeah, she was pretty bad. The character wasn't any better in the Dark Knight, but at least Maggie can act!
Quote from: gordonblu on Wed, 25 Mar 2009, 04:26
Batman Returns: Anytime Penguin is wearing that stupid grey jumpsuit! Put him in a coat or something, I don't care if you wanted to show off the bodysuit he was wearing, give him a shirt, pants with suspenders or something, but at least make him dress somewhat like the character in the comics!
HAHAHAHA, I think he's quite funny in that jumpsuit. ;D
Quote from: gordonblu on Wed, 25 Mar 2009, 04:26
I actually have a bootleg score to Batman and Robin (no Bat-Fanatic should be without it) and I actually think it is an improvement on the Batman Forever score. Goldenthal didn't just cut and paste the music from Forever(and Demolition Man) into the movie, he acutally re-orchestrated it a tad and as a whole it comes across slightly more serious than the previous score. I think Goldenthal picked up on the fact that Freeze, Ivy, and Bane are not as inherently zany as the Riddler, so while Schumacher was pushing them in the zany direction, Goldenthal was actually scoring them more appropriately to their original characteristics. That is not true across the board, there are some stupid moments in the score, Ivy in particular gets some pretty stupid cues, But overall I found it to be little bit more mature than Forever musically.
I totally agree. The music is newly recorded (not & paste) and an improvement over Forever. The bad saxophone music used for Poison Ivy is maybe the only lowpoint - it always grates on my nerves, both on film and on CD. Skip button material. I think Goldenthal himself has talked about this in interviews, irritated that his work didn't get a proper CD release as it deserved. The film's failure had to do with the absence of a score CD, and the official B&R CD had a simple cut-&-paste job of Forever cues.
I think there's a number of
film score fanatics that want to have this CD. I only have an mp3 version, at a pretty mediocre rate (160 kbps)
Guess it never hit me that we could post Nolan moments here too. Cripes, here goes!
-- Begins
Hypocrisy-
Batman- "I won't kill you... but I don't have to save you."
Ghul- "All I can say is that you should be thankful this isn't an episode of Seinfeld or you'd be screwed."
Batman- "And you should be thankful that this isn't Star Wars cuz the last d00d dressed all in black that you fought ended up impaling you and you died instantly. Trust me, you're getting off light."
Ghul- "Gotcha, bouncing around like a basketball in a subway car crash before getting roasted to death is SO much more compassionate and merciful than just shooting me in the head! Glad you're here to tell me these things!"
And so forth. Kill or don't kill dude, but don't wuss out like that.
Nice coat/Can you drive stick?/Sorry!/I've got to get me one of those/Nevermind!/etc. All those ridiculous one-liners that even Joel Schumacher would've nixed just tick me off. It was never funny and the fact that Goyer wrote so damn many of them tells you all you need to know about his writing "talents".
Fear/panic/terror/fear/fear/fear/afraid/fear/dread- We get it, dear Lord make it stop!
Rachel- Largely I've made peace with Holmes in the part. Good for the role? That is in the eye of the beholder. What ticks me off is her passive-aggressive BS with Bruce. "Go back to swimming." "
Some of us have to
WORK." And so forth. You just want Bale to scream "aw shaddup ya bloo'y ol' tart, we're DONE, okay?, PROFESSIONALLY, McG, get this !*!@&$( off the set, you pr$%@#ck!!" And ya know something? I think Batman would say that. Well, maybe not curse her out but he'd tell her where she can stick it if she got too mouthy with him. Grr, anyway, whatever. Hacks.
-- TDK
Voice- OMFG Bale's voice was just OUT OF FREAKING CONTROL this time out. Can you dig it? Good film, fun, Ledger, blah blah blah, but hoooooooly crap on a crutch, someone get that man a throat lozenge!
Sonar- "You took my sonar concept... and applied it to every cell phone in the city!" Whaaa? Hey, I'm all about willful suspension of disbelief and getting out of the director's grill so he can tell the story but... THAT'S IT!? THAT'S your answer?! Why not just say "you connected the doo-dad to the gizmo, reversed the polarity of gadget and then did a rain dance around it so that now my sonar concept has been installed on every single cell phone in the entire city?! It's diabolical! It's deceitful! It's a damn good idea, get President Bush on the phone, he'll LOVE this!" SOMETHING, ya know? Oy...
Joker- The performance was fine, the character had nothing to do with the comics, blah blah, but his motives... what exactly did he want with Batman?
Quote"I don't want to kill you! What would I do with you?"
"But you thought Harvey Dent was me and you shot at his truck with a hand gun, a sub-machine gun and then a frackin' bazooka!"
"But I knew he wasn't really you though."
"Oh. So what about when you shot my Bat-SUV with your bazooka?"
"Hey, you got in my line of fire!"
"Is that what you told yourself when you tried to run me over with a semi?"
"I knew you'd get away!"
"What about when you stood maliciously over my unconcious form wielding a knife? And come to think of it, why did you try to beat me into bloody freaking senselessness with a lead pipe after siccing your dogs on me?"
"Chaos! Anarchy! Laissez-faire! Ayn Rand!"
And so forth. Like I said, TDK's a good movie but don't try to take it seriously. You'll only end up hurting yourself.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu, 26 Mar 2009, 07:54
Sonar- "You took my sonar concept... and applied it to every cell phone in the city!" Whaaa? Hey, I'm all about willful suspension of disbelief and getting out of the director's grill so he can tell the story but... THAT'S IT!? THAT'S your answer?! Why not just say "you connected the doo-dad to the gizmo, reversed the polarity of gadget and then did a rain dance around it so that now my sonar concept has been installed on every single cell phone in the entire city?! It's diabolical! It's deceitful! It's a damn good idea, get President Bush on the phone, he'll LOVE this!" SOMETHING, ya know? Oy...
I laughed out loud when reading that bit. Well said.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu, 26 Mar 2009, 07:54
Guess it never hit me that we could post Nolan moments here too. Cripes, here goes!
-- Begins
Hypocrisy-
Batman- "I won't kill you... but I don't have to save you."
Ghul- "All I can say is that you should be thankful this isn't an episode of Seinfeld or you'd be screwed."
Batman- "And you should be thankful that this isn't Star Wars cuz the last d00d dressed all in black that you fought ended up impaling you and you died instantly. Trust me, you're getting off light."
Ghul- "Gotcha, bouncing around like a basketball in a subway car crash before getting roasted to death is SO much more compassionate and merciful than just shooting me in the head! Glad you're here to tell me these things!"
And so forth. Kill or don't kill dude, but don't wuss out like that.
Nice coat/Can you drive stick?/Sorry!/I've got to get me one of those/Nevermind!/etc. All those ridiculous one-liners that even Joel Schumacher would've nixed just tick me off. It was never funny and the fact that Goyer wrote so damn many of them tells you all you need to know about his writing "talents".
Fear/panic/terror/fear/fear/fear/afraid/fear/dread- We get it, dear Lord make it stop!
Rachel- Largely I've made peace with Holmes in the part. Good for the role? That is in the eye of the beholder. What ticks me off is her passive-aggressive BS with Bruce. "Go back to swimming." "Some of us have to WORK." And so forth. You just want Bale to scream "aw shaddup ya bloo'y ol' tart, we're DONE, okay?, PROFESSIONALLY, McG, get this !*!@&$( off the set, you pr$%@#ck!!" And ya know something? I think Batman would say that. Well, maybe not curse her out but he'd tell her where she can stick it if she got too mouthy with him. Grr, anyway, whatever. Hacks.
-- TDK
Voice- OMFG Bale's voice was just OUT OF FREAKING CONTROL this time out. Can you dig it? Good film, fun, Ledger, blah blah blah, but hoooooooly crap on a crutch, someone get that man a throat lozenge!
Sonar- "You took my sonar concept... and applied it to every cell phone in the city!" Whaaa? Hey, I'm all about willful suspension of disbelief and getting out of the director's grill so he can tell the story but... THAT'S IT!? THAT'S your answer?! Why not just say "you connected the doo-dad to the gizmo, reversed the polarity of gadget and then did a rain dance around it so that now my sonar concept has been installed on every single cell phone in the entire city?! It's diabolical! It's deceitful! It's a damn good idea, get President Bush on the phone, he'll LOVE this!" SOMETHING, ya know? Oy...
Joker- The performance was fine, the character had nothing to do with the comics, blah blah, but his motives... what exactly did he want with Batman?
Quote"I don't want to kill you! What would I do with you?"
"But you thought Harvey Dent was me and you shot at his truck with a hand gun, a sub-machine gun and then a frackin' bazooka!"
"But I knew he wasn't really you though."
"Oh. So what about when you shot my Bat-SUV with your bazooka?"
"Hey, you got in my line of fire!"
"Is that what you told yourself when you tried to run me over with a semi?"
"I knew you'd get away!"
"What about when you stood maliciously over my unconcious form wielding a knife? And come to think of it, why did you try to beat me into bloody freaking senselessness with a lead pipe after siccing your dogs on me?"
"Chaos! Anarchy! Laissez-faire! Ayn Rand!"
And so forth. Like I said, TDK's a good movie but don't try to take it seriously. You'll only end up hurting yourself.
HA, HA, HA, HA, HA! Hilarious, Colors. You speak the truth. :D ;D 8)
Quote from: Gotham Knight on Thu, 26 Mar 2009, 14:51
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu, 26 Mar 2009, 07:54
Sonar- "You took my sonar concept... and applied it to every cell phone in the city!" Whaaa? Hey, I'm all about willful suspension of disbelief and getting out of the director's grill so he can tell the story but... THAT'S IT!? THAT'S your answer?! Why not just say "you connected the doo-dad to the gizmo, reversed the polarity of gadget and then did a rain dance around it so that now my sonar concept has been installed on every single cell phone in the entire city?! It's diabolical! It's deceitful! It's a damn good idea, get President Bush on the phone, he'll LOVE this!" SOMETHING, ya know? Oy...
I laughed out loud when reading that bit. Well said.
Great stuff ;)
Just 5 things come to mind.....
"Holy Concrete, Batman!"
"It's the Hockey Team from Hell!"
"Never leave the cave without it"
....nipples, & crotches
I didn't like the change of actress for rachels charactor. I haven't got anything against the replacement, it's just the fact that the film makers just didn't stick to the original actress. What was Kate doing at the time, was she not available?
Quote from: Knight-of-Darkness on Sat, 11 Apr 2009, 16:08
I didn't like the change of actress for rachels charactor. I haven't got anything against the replacement, it's just the fact that the film makers just didn't stick to the original actress. What was Kate doing at the time, was she not available?
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b54265_Katie_Wont_Begin_Batman.html
The fact that she wasn't going to return brought out a sort of happiness inside of me. ;D
Though I wasn't moved by Katie Holmes in Begins, my friends and I we're displeased with the new cast in her place because she looked to be an older version of Holmes to us.
Really. We we're like "hey is that her mom or something? ...kinda weird".
It totally distracted from the film. They might as well just cast a completely different looking actress to wash away the first.
Casting of new actors really messes up continuity for me. One of the reasons why I wasn't very thrilled with TDK film... :-\