I saw this video from the YouTube channel Nerdy in Many Ways discussing Ray Fisher's allegations of abuse behind the scenes of Josstice League, and explains in detail why they believe Fisher is telling the truth. The video also goes in depth to clear up misconceptions over the whole dispute, including the analysis of the timeline throughout production of JL and comparison with Fisher's accusations and why he is at odds with DC Films president Walter Hamada.
https://youtu.be/PZnFUuahKac
The startling thing about the reshoots is they went ahead so the executives could get their annual bonuses? Outrageous.
Fisher first spoke out about racial discrimination in an interview with Forbes last year (whose writer was suspiciously let go a few days after the article was published), and now he has tweeted this:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvfKV0vXUAYKkak?format=jpg&name=large)
If anyone is wondering what the hell Fisher is talking about in regards to Cyborg's penis, he is referring to this shot in Josstice League.
(https://i.imgur.com/pcZngax.jpg)
As you can see, most of Victor Stone's lower body and groin remains intact. This is is a blatant retcon from his cameo appearance in BvS, where his body is shown to be dismembered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRj7n7CqsX8&feature=youtu.be
If Ta-Nehisi Coates is really this woke guy people think he is then I'd expect him to quit the new Superman project. I can't imagine he'd tolerate working for a studio getting accused of this.
But the biggest takeaway for me is the confirmation that even the cast and crew were deceived about the circumstances surrounding Whedon's involvement. This was already covered in the video I uploaded, but to read this statement by any actor is quite damning.
As for the accusations of racism? It doesn't surprise me. Hollywood loves to virtue signal, but they hardly put their money where their mouths are when it comes to social issues. Unless their parent company starts to keep them in check, I expect WB Pictures to double down on their announcements of diverse DC projects, such as a gender-bending Plastic Man (which nobody asked for), the Jaime Reyes Blue Beatle project, more castings similar to the Latina actress playing Supergirl in The Flash. While trying to use the media to sweep this issue under the rug, as well as undermining ZSJL, of course.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Wed, 3 Mar 2021, 12:17
This was already covered in the video I uploaded
I meant to say shared. I'm not the guy who created the video, he's way more eloquent than I am.
I've never doubted what Fisher has claimed. I've simply wanted him to share specifics. I don't know why he didn't get specific before. Maybe he wanted to give WB the chance to handle this before he leveled career-ending accusations against others? Ultimately, I'm not sure that Fisher has achieved full victory on this. Most of those people had already suffered significant career damage as a result of Josstice League and in handling this matter the way he has, I suspect Fisher has killed his own career in the crib.
Is it worth it to him that his career is over before it even started if he can shine a light on an issue this important? The answer seems to be yes. However, I can't help thinking that Fisher could've survived this on a career level while still publicly naming the guilty parties. There were better ways to handle this and Fisher didn't have to nuke his own career prospects.
Still, the fact that he did nuke his own career tells me a lot. Fisher was one of the few successful elements of Josstice League. People didn't enjoy the movie in general but they did seem to enjoy him playing the character. The fact that Fisher was willing to go to such extraordinary lengths to destroy the one minor success he's ever had says a lot about how serious he is. He made a pretty big sacrifice, even if I think it never needed to come to that. He deserves a lot of respect for not taking the easy way out on this.
It's one thing to stand up for the right thing. It's another thing to stand up for the right thing when you pay the price Fisher has. Again, I don't think he needed to burn down his own career to do this. But the fact that he was willing to burn his career down matters. A lot.
And frankly, it gives his claims credibility that they might not otherwise have.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Wed, 3 Mar 2021, 12:50
I've never doubted what Fisher has claimed. I've simply wanted him to share specifics. I don't know why he didn't get specific before. Maybe he wanted to give WB the chance to handle this before he leveled career-ending accusations against others?
From what I remember reading one of his explanations on social media, Fisher was concerned that the first investigator he was speaking to was acting on behalf of WB Pictures, who seemed to have an agenda for covering up for the accused. Him going public was a call for WarnerMedia to start a proper investigation and look into the matter thoroughly. Before that, WB Pictures were doing things independently.
As for why didn't he go into specifics before, he mentioned that a lot of incidents that happened on set affected other people, and he didn't want to speak on their behalf because it wasn't his story to tell. It's possible that the investigation was ongoing at the time, and he would've sorted out legal advice about what to say, and what not to say, as long as nothing jeopardised the investigation.
Sadly, there is a strong chance these efforts may have been in vain. Aside from throwing Whedon under the bus, WarnerMedia has so far failed to hold the others accountable, and WB have removed Cyborg from The Flash; blatantly punishing Fisher for speaking out. A complete disgrace, and it has shattered my enthusiasm for the film knowing it could very well be hijacked in the same way Suicide Squad and Justice League were. But Fisher knew he risked getting outcast from the studio and remains undeterred from speaking out.
I'll say it again, everyone who was affected by what happened behind the scenes of Josstice League may need to come forward publically if they want to hold the other accused parties accountable. WarnerMedia appears to have drop the ball big time.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Wed, 3 Mar 2021, 12:50
Is it worth it to him that his career is over before it even started if he can shine a light on an issue this important? The answer seems to be yes. However, I can't help thinking that Fisher could've survived this on a career level while still publicly naming the guilty parties. There were better ways to handle this and Fisher didn't have to nuke his own career prospects.
As you know, Hollywood is a cesspool. That industry protects abusers and shuns those who won't play by their rules. Fisher likely saw through the bullsh*t and had enough of it all. And he stated multiple times that he doesn't care about his career, even once recalling the times how some people taunted him about going back to work in the food services industry if he keeps burning bridges. He responded that there's no shame in working in the food industry, because workers are doing a noble duty in getting people fed.
You'll be hard-pressed to find any other actor to make such a positive comment.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Wed, 3 Mar 2021, 12:50
He deserves a lot of respect for not taking the easy way out on this.
100%.
In my opinion, Victor and Silas Stone were the hearts and souls of ZSJL. Miller's Flash comes a close second.
Fisher's Cyborg may have been conflicted, but that never stopped him from showing compassion to help others. Joe Morton's Silas using his own scientific expertise to save his son's life may have have fueled further tension, but he had integrity and was selfless. Him giving Victor a second chance in life was important for the sake of mankind, as well as giving him a sense of purpose after his accident. ZSJL explored their relationship and their characters with utmost respect, whereas Josstice League didn't bother.
Shame on WB Pictures for undermining such a good arc back in 2017.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Sat, 20 Mar 2021, 01:55
In my opinion, Victor and Silas Stone were the hearts and souls of ZSJL. Miller's Flash comes a close second.
Fisher's Cyborg may have been conflicted, but that never stopped him from showing compassion to help others. Joe Morton's Silas using his own scientific expertise to save his son's life may have have fueled further tension, but he had integrity and was selfless. Him giving Victor a second chance in life was important for the sake of mankind, as well as giving him a sense of purpose after his accident. ZSJL explored their relationship and their characters with utmost respect, whereas Josstice League didn't bother.
Shame on WB Pictures for undermining such a good arc back in 2017.
Yep. Their arc is a father and a son utterly unable to communicate with each other but slowly coming back to one another, only for the father to sacrifice his life
just to buy his son time.
Somebody involved with Josstice League looked at that and said "Yeah, thanks but no thanks, we're going in a different direction".
Racially motivated or not, that decision says everything you need to know about their priorities. I can see cutting Barry saving Iris. I don't like it. But the logic adds up. You have to move the story along and Barry saving Iris doesn't do that. But cutting the Vic/Silas material to the bone as they did shows such skewed and disordered priorities that I am now convinced (if I wasn't before) that Snyder is the only person equipped to tell that story in an effective way.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Sat, 20 Mar 2021, 04:01
Racially motivated or not, that decision says everything you need to know about their priorities. I can see cutting Barry saving Iris. I don't like it. But the logic adds up. You have to move the story along and Barry saving Iris doesn't do that. But cutting the Vic/Silas material to the bone as they did shows such skewed and disordered priorities that I am now convinced (if I wasn't before) that Snyder is the only person equipped to tell that story in an effective way.
As a matter of fact, Snyder was very collaborative and allowed Fisher to give his input on how Cyborg could be portrayed on screen.
Quote from: Zack Snyder
You Ray, are the heart of my movie. @ray8fisher
Quote from: Ray Fisher
I don't praise Chris Terrio and @ZackSnyder for simply putting me in Justice League.
I praise them for EMPOWERING me (a black man with no film credits to his name) with a seat at the creative table and input on the framing of the Stones before there was even a script! #BORGLIFE
https://twitter.com/zacksnyder/status/1269400053744975873?lang=en
In contrast, Whedon apparently abused people on set over the rewrites. When it comes to production, it seems the difference between Whedon and Snyder is night and day.
It's certainly strange that the reshoots had removed so many characters of different ethnicities. Ryan Choi, Iris West, Elinore Stone, Harry Lennix as Martian Manhunter, cutting down Cyborg and Silas...while a pointless Russian family that nobody cares about took their place. The same goes for that thief played by Holt McCallany in Josstice League's butchered Batman and the Parademon scene.
Speaking of Ryan Choi, it turns out Snyder pitched WB to have the character appear in his solo Atom movie, with a Chinese cast.
https://epicstream.com/news/NobelleBorines/Zack-Snyder-Pitched-Ryan-Choi-Atom-Spin-Off-After-Justice-League
If you ask me, WB's recent announcements of the Black Superman and a Latina actress playing Supergirl in The Flash is a desperate PR move to cover up the allegations of racially motivated misconduct.
WarnerMedia Studios CEO Ann Sarnoff said some incendiary things in the latest Variety hit piece, from condemning "fan toxicity" (as if she's in any position to lecture anybody about toxicity given recent Warner-related productions have come under fire for toxic workplaces i.e. JL reshoots, Ellen and Casey Stern) to dismissing Ray Fisher's allegations in order to defend Walter Hamada.
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Ray Fisher has accused Warner Bros. executives of racially biased behavior and of trying to impede an investigation into alleged misconduct on the set of "Justice League." Did your investigation corroborate any of his claims of racism on the part of your employees?
No. Our investigator, Judge Katherine Forrest, has issued statements specifically about [DC Films president] Walter Hamada, saying that there was no evidence of interference by Walter in the investigation. She said that the cuts made in the Joss Whedon version of "Justice League" were not racially motivated. We took it very seriously, so we hired one of the top investigators out there and gave her a tremendous amount of leeway.
Ray Fisher has previously stated that because of a non-disclosure agreement he can't share specifics about the abusive behavior he endured on the set of "Justice League." Is there an NDA that would prevent him from publicly sharing all the details of what transpired on "Justice League"?
Not that I know of. No.
[Editor's note: A spokesperson for Fisher responded to Variety's request for comment with the following statement, "Mr. Fisher is no longer under NDA and will comment further when appropriate to do so."]
Walter Hamada has been on the receiving end of a lot of fan criticism. What was his involvement in the production of "Justice League"?
Walter had nothing to do with "Justice League." He was not running DC Films in 2017 when "Justice League" was completed and released. He wasn't put in charge of DC Films until the following year. About a year ago, Walter, [Warner Bros. Pictures Group head] Toby Emmerich, me, [former WarnerMedia chairman] Bob Greenblatt, [former HBO Max content chief] Kevin Reilly, and [HBO Max original programming head] Sarah Aubrey sat around the table with Zack and greenlit the Snyder cut. That cut includes Ray Fisher's entire story as Cyborg, which is something that he had been disappointed had been cut from the Justice League movie three years ago. Perhaps we've lost the plot a little bit which is that Toby and Walter were part of the green-lighting that allowed Zack's vision to come to life, which includes sharing the full story about Ray's character. There really was nothing that Walter did against Ray, in fact he offered him a role in the Flash movie.
Walter was promoted recently. I am fully supportive of Toby and Walter and their visions. I truly believe they are great executives. Walter happens to be a person of color, so he knows what that feels like. He is bringing in diverse voices at an accelerated pace, more than anyone has in the past.
https://variety.com/2021/film/news/zack-snyder-justice-league-suicide-squad-ray-fisher-warnermedia-1234935580/
Here is Ray Fisher's response.
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Apparently some folks at @WarnerMedia think that a room full of executives saying "we can't an angry Black man at the center of the movie" (and then reducing/removing all Black and POC from that movie) isn't racist.
Odd.
The investigator hired by @WarnerMedia was brought on to help the company assess and evade legal liabilities.
Continually touting her status as a FORMER federal judge in an attempt to sway public opinion is obvious and desperate.
She is now simply a lawyer.
As I've said—people will attempt to shift blame completely to Joss Whedon for the Justice League reshoots.
Toby Emmerich, Geoff Johns, and Jon Berg share in that responsibility; with Johns working directly with Joss on restructuring the script based on the execs' convos.
Furthermore:
"There really was nothing that Walter did against Ray, in fact he offered him a role in the Flash movie."
AND
"Walter happens to be a person of color, so he knows what that feels like."
are the absolute definition of tone deaf.
Final thought for now:
Rather than trying to convince people on what the Justice League investigation DIDN'T find - how about you start telling them what it DID?
The public is a lot smarter than what you're giving them credit for.
The proof is there.
More soon.
A>E
https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1374165899079528448
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/ray-fisher-opens-up-about-justice-league-joss-whedon-and-warners-i-dont-believe-some-of-these-people-are-fit-for-leadership
WB is a dumpster fire. It doesn't matter if whether or not the changes to Cyborg's character were racially motivated, the studio's efforts to smear Fisher's name is downright despicable. Before we can think about restoring the Snyderverse, I think it's much more important for AT&T to get rid of those crooks Emmerich, Hamada, Johns and Sarnoff and clean house. I realise that might be asking too much for a Hollywood studio, but the place as it currently is can't last. The unnamed source claiming Snyder was manipulating Fisher to get back into the DCEU is disgusting.
I couldn't stand Johns using his spokesperson to make excuses to deny any intentional wrongdoing. If Johns wants to be taken seriously, he should speak for himself, or better yet, take Fisher to court if he feels truly aggrieved with his accusations.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Tue, 6 Apr 2021, 14:44
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/ray-fisher-opens-up-about-justice-league-joss-whedon-and-warners-i-dont-believe-some-of-these-people-are-fit-for-leadership
Kim Masters, the journalist who wrote this expose, tweeted this.
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.@ray8fisher speaks.
Warners did not want me to write this story, to put it very mildly.
https://www.twitter.com/kimmasters/status/1379427741179785216
Not at all surprised they tried to torpedo this article. Last year, Fisher did an interview with Forbes about the JL reshoots, and it resulted in the sacking of the contributor who wrote the story. The story itself was edited with comments from Whedon's representative.
Warner Butchers are truly corrupt.
At the risk of exaggerating, I've never seen a movie studio in such disarray in my whole life.
WB singlehandedly killed the Snyder Cut in 2017, committee-banged the movie into Whedon's travesty, alienated most of the cast and crew, lied to the public, possibly covered up for Whedon's wrongdoings, got arm-wrestled into releasing ZSJL by AT&T and even now are retaliating against whistleblowers and reformers.
Even Disney would've taken the L and moved on by now. But WB isn't letting up. Any other movie studio would've at least made a public show of making nice with Ray Fisher, promising to remove corruption and other boilerplate nonsense. WB digging in like this is truly something else.
But with any company, you eventually get to a point where the sustained negative PR is untenable when correcting requires only a half-ass public apology and eating of minimal amounts of crow. This entire episode is utterly stupefying.
"We know they are lying.
They know they are lying.
They know that we know they are lying.
We know that they know that we know they are lying.
And still they continue to lie."
- Alexander Solzhenitsyn.
Interesting bit of trivia: Kim Masters co-wrote an expose on Kevin Tsujihara back in 2019. Tsujihara was the previous WB CEO who quit the role amid a sex scandal. He was also referenced in the latest article when Gal Gadot reported to him to express her complaints over Whedon, and was one of the key people responsible for the JL reshoot fiasco. She's no stranger when it comes to reporting WB controversies.
I'm baffled and outraged by a lot of details in this article, even if some of these were already revealed a while ago. The executives apparently freaking out over Cyborg being "an angry black man" is incomprehensible. Was Cyborg any more angry and irrational than, say, Batman in BvS? I don't think so. Anyone who looks at Victor Stone's journey throughout ZSJL and still oversimply him as an angry black man needs to take a good hard look at themselves. What a horribly skewed perspective.
Meanwhile, YouTuber and Snyder fan FilmGob shared this screenshot containing an email from anonymous sources back in 2018. Spliced together with a screenshot from the latest article, not only does it corroborate what Jeremy Irons may have done, but also everything the THR article had detailed. These details had been shared on Reddit for some time too.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyS8PzqUUA0MHqm?format=jpg&name=large)
Link to the original tweet: https://twitter.com/FilmGob/status/968915702886395904
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Wed, 7 Apr 2021, 15:08
At the risk of exaggerating, I've never seen a movie studio in such disarray in my whole life.
WB singlehandedly killed the Snyder Cut in 2017, committee-banged the movie into Whedon's travesty, alienated most of the cast and crew, lied to the public, possibly covered up for Whedon's wrongdoings, got arm-wrestled into releasing ZSJL by AT&T and even now are retaliating against whistleblowers and reformers.
Even Disney would've taken the L and moved on by now. But WB isn't letting up. Any other movie studio would've at least made a public show of making nice with Ray Fisher, promising to remove corruption and other boilerplate nonsense. WB digging in like this is truly something else.
But with any company, you eventually get to a point where the sustained negative PR is untenable when correcting requires only a half-ass public apology and eating of minimal amounts of crow. This entire episode is utterly stupefying.
You seem to have faith in AT&T. Well, you better hope they're starting to clean house as we speak right now, because not only are Warner Butchers trying to run a narrative that ZSJL is less successful on HBO Max - without giving the full data to back up such claims - it's now alleged that they have refused to distribute the film for a release in China.
https://www.small-screen.co.uk/restoring-the-snyderverse-zack-snyders-fight-to-get-justice-league-released-in-china/
It doesn't surprise me how low they will go to sabotage ZSJL. From forcing Zack to cut John Stewart out of the ending, to leaking the entire film at Tom & Jerry's expense the week before the release date, to gaslighting the fans as being toxic while overlooking their own toxicity and mistreatment of directors and actors behind the scenes, Warner Butchers have demonstrated themselves to be despicable and shameless pieces of sh*t. Until things change quickly, ZSJL will be the last WB film I'll ever spend any money on.
BTW, if anybody is worried about the streaming figures, LightCast explains why they say the information is inaccurate and skewed.
Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/LightCastPod/status/1379826188516950020
YouTube video discussion: https://youtu.be/PybPgN6pTbE?t=2947
While WB is caught red-handed in committing internal sabotage, CBS does the right thing and fires two executives for abuse and discrimination, including depriving black journalists of job opportunities.
https://deadline.com/2021/04/cbs-station-peter-dunn-david-friend-depart-after-report-racist-abusive-behavior-1234729682/
What a stunning contrast between the two companies. I'm sure those sacked executives would fit right in at Warner Butchers. Sounds like they're made for each other. f***ing bastards.
During the week, Fisher angrily called out WarnerMedia for taking the opportunity to tweet this virtue-signaling statement after the George Floyd murder trial, and tagged Jason Kilar, the WM CEO.
Quote from: Ray Fisher
How f***ing DARE YOU @WarnerMedia?!?!?!
Oh, now I'm pissed....
Quote from: WarnerMedia
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ezc0FeLX0AcJOmB?format=png&name=small)
You need to get on this asap @jasonkilar
https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1384644834682617859
Fisher retweeted this great little edit by a fan who mocked WM's statement. 8)
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https://twitter.com/mediavandal/status/1384687738721501184
A day later, Fisher tweeted this:
Quote from: Ray Fisher
They let Tsujihara "step down"
They allowed Whedon to "exit"
They've closed ranks to protect Emmerich, Johns, and Hamada.
They've admitted to publicly releasing false information and refuse to apologize.
Accountability is not @WarnerMedia's strong suit.
Onward.
A>E
https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1384971814707859461
I do feel for him. It's bad enough he saw his character arc thrown away and got insulted and threatened on set, he knew he was putting his career on the line by daring to speak out against these people, and he was given false hope that the parent company would resolve the matter. Instead, he gets punished for speaking out. It's despicable.
Nevertheless, I'm honestly glad he did speak out, because he has put a spotlight on how rotten these people really are, including those in charge of WarnerMedia. AT&T needs to clean that entire place up. But will they?
Gal Gadot has confirmed Whedon had threatened her career on the set of those reshoots.
https://deadline.com/2021/05/gal-gadot-joss-whedon-threatened-career-justice-league-shoot-1234752563/
If the 2017 WW film not been the success as it was, those bastards at WB would've thrown her under the bus, as they did to Fisher.
Ray Fisher has announced he will not be supporting any production by Walter Hamada, but would open to the idea of playing Cyborg again if WB takes responsibility, and is rather hopeful that the merger with Discovery changes things for the better.
https://youtu.be/TZGNZcJkDag
https://geekositymag.com/ray-fisher-says-his-cyborg-return-possible-with-warner-discovery-merger/
I wouldn't support any movie production knowing this studio has sabotaged and damaged people who worked on their one showpiece out of greed and ego. Don't underestimate Fisher as being the lone voice, there are plenty of fans who are super pissed off with what has been revealed over the last three and a half years.
https://youtu.be/yqqj7RAqt94
This video was posted shortly after Ray Fisher was fired from The Flash. Less than a week later, that YouTuber was covering DC news again. ::)
FFS, I understand some people can't help themselves and want to make money out of the YouTube algorithm, but why the hell would anyone make this video if they weren't going to keep their word? At the very least, he should delete this video, because whether he's pro Snyderverse or not, it makes him look foolish at best. At worst, the video is performative and hollow.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Fri, 15 Oct 2021, 01:30
https://youtu.be/yqqj7RAqt94
This video was posted shortly after Ray Fisher was fired from The Flash. Less than a week later, that YouTuber was covering DC news again. ::)
FFS, I understand some people can't help themselves and want to make money out of the YouTube algorithm, but why the hell would anyone make this video if they weren't going to keep their word? At the very least, he should delete this video, because whether he's pro Snyderverse or not, it makes him look foolish at best. At worst, the video is performative and hollow.
Authentic human emotion is a thing of the past. People don't have feelings anymore. They have a vague idea of emotions.
At this point, all I want is for the asteroid to land directly on top of my house while I'm sleeping.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Fri, 15 Oct 2021, 03:38
Authentic human emotion is a thing of the past. People don't have feelings anymore. They have a vague idea of emotions.
At this point, all I want is for the asteroid to land directly on top of my house while I'm sleeping.
I relate. People want two things: to be liked and to be right. Which creates a lot of sheep and also a lot of problems. I know what's going on, but at the core I know nothing really matters and I just want to be left alone with my thoughts. I'm not actively seeking it but I'm okay with dying.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Fri, 15 Oct 2021, 03:38
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Fri, 15 Oct 2021, 01:30
https://youtu.be/yqqj7RAqt94
This video was posted shortly after Ray Fisher was fired from The Flash. Less than a week later, that YouTuber was covering DC news again. ::)
FFS, I understand some people can't help themselves and want to make money out of the YouTube algorithm, but why the hell would anyone make this video if they weren't going to keep their word? At the very least, he should delete this video, because whether he's pro Snyderverse or not, it makes him look foolish at best. At worst, the video is performative and hollow.
Authentic human emotion is a thing of the past. People don't have feelings anymore. They have a vague idea of emotions.
At this point, all I want is for the asteroid to land directly on top of my house while I'm sleeping.
We can blame YouTube for making a contribution in stunting human emotions. When there's a digital algorithm and monetisation program that can be abused for incentives, that's a serious problem.
The guy in the video, Chris Wong, is like many other pro-Snyderverse commentators who I've noticed have had the privilege to speak to Fisher, Snyder and so on during various streaming events, such as Justice Con. Many of them took the chance to virtue signal over Fisher's firing by tweeting #IStandWithRayFisher...and yet they're still shilling the latest DC movies. I remember reading another fool who tweeted #SuckItWarnerBrothers, while expressing his excitement for Aquaman 2. If I were Hamada or Emmerich, I'd laugh at him.
Sure, people are free to watch whatever they want. But I can't take any of these people seriously if they don't have the guts to stay true to themselves. If you don't care about restoring the Snyderverse or what happened to Fisher all that much, then just say so. Otherwise, tweeting hashtags you don't really believe in and faking your outrage on camera only makes you a dishonest jackass.
Just when I was speaking about Chris Wong's two-faced behaviour, here comes Film Gob compiling this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEnO0mafuic
I could've done without Eckhardt's Harvey Dent, and the video erroneously states Wong's original content has been hidden/deleted, when isn't the case at the time of writing. But it's still a great video. If you flip flop easily, you deserve to get ridiculed.
The worst thing about Wong is he never explained why he backtracked from his original stance, and as I said, the video is still available. He offers no explanation whatsoever over why he feels Walter Hamada and co no longer need to be held accountable, and hypes all of the movies produced by him. Yet, he supposedly still wants the Snyderverse. Anybody has been paying attention all this time knows the studio has made such things as incompatible.
So much for A > E.
Fans on Twitter have been tweeting #BoycottWB to protest against the current regime at WB for their gross mismanagement, sabotage and hostility towards anything Snyderverse-related for the last five years. It intensified a bit when DC Comics announced Geoff Johns is writing the new Flashpoint Beyond comic. It led to Johns' name coming up on Twitter trends with a description referring to his involvement behind the scenes of Josstice League.
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Ray Fisher reacted to the Johns news by saying this.
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Geoff Johns is still a racist.
A>E
https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1482061004301295625?cxt=HHwWkoCzjbKoq5EpAAAA
An hour or so later, WB released an official first look of Leslie Grace as Batgirl. How convenient. Very typical of the studio desperately in damage control.
People may argue Johns may be ignorant or lacking tact when it comes to talking to people, but I say actions speak louder than words. His lack of a direct response to the accusations and hiding behind his PR team making idiotic statements trying to put him in a good light tells me a lot. But that's okay, maybe he can still rely on his ex-wife to dismiss the accusations while writing and deleting incendiary tweets against Snyder and every actor involved, like she did last week.
Today, James Gunn explained himself about an old screenshot of him liking a tweet that disrespected David Ayer. Ray Fisher got involved and pressured him to explain why he liked Alan Tudyk's tweet defending Whedon. Gunn responded with an explanation in the following screenshot.
(https://i.imgur.com/jKiNloK.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/VHCkHkI.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/HuHZ2oj.jpg)
This might seem reasonable enough on the surface...except I've been trying to look for Tudyk's apology for his original tweet, but all I could was him backtracking while still praising Whedon.
(https://i.imgur.com/VVLLaSP.jpg)
Sounds like a blatant non-apology to me. Gunn must not know what he's talking about, or he is lying. Same goes for Tudyk.
FWIW, David Ayer did vouch for Gunn's explanation about the Suicide Squad tweet, and basically kissed his ass over Peacemaker. I hope the Ayer cut is finally coming out this year, because as time goes by, David is awkwardly heading towards bootlicking territory if the studio doesn't give him the same level of support.
Today, the New York Magazine published what is possibly the worst attempt at a puff piece I've ever read, and the subject is Joss Whedon.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220117174536/https://www.vulture.com/article/joss-whedon-allegations.html
The pathetic article is nothing more than denials, ad hominem attacks, desperate sob stories about his personal experience, yet at the same time there are more stories of screwed up incidents where Whedon
hurts and humiliates women. Real degenerate behaviour. But for the sake of keeping it on topic to JL, I'll just post the following observations.
The prick made some rather unflattering comments about Gal Gadot, dismissing her as "not being able to understand English".
Unsurprisingly, the scumbag said this about Fisher, and ZSJL:
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Justice League premiered in the fall of 2017. It was a critical and commercial debacle. Snyder's fans blamed Whedon for its failures, accusing him, as one tweet put it, of turning Snyder's godlike heroes into clowns. The power of fandom, a force Whedon had done so much to cultivate at the start of his career, was now wielded against him. The fans launched an elaborate campaign pressuring Warner Bros. to release the version Snyder had originally planned, chartering a plane to fly a banner over Warner Studios. Just as Whedon had once used message boards to bond with Buffy obsessives, Snyder used the social-media platform Vero to rally his followers, sharing pictures of his morning workouts alongside images that appeared to be derived from his cut of the film. Several months into the pandemic, the studio, desperate for content, announced that his cut would air on HBO Max. At an online fan event celebrating the upcoming release, Snyder declared he would set the movie on fire before using a single frame he had not filmed himself. "Our lord and savior Zack Snyder!!!" someone wrote in the comments below the livestream.
Around the same time, amid worldwide protests against racism, Fisher posted a series of tweets accusing Whedon of abusing his power and charging studio executives with "enabling" the director. In a Forbes interview, Fisher said he'd been told Whedon had used color correction to change an actor of color's complexion because he didn't like the actor's skin tone. "Man, with everything 2020's been, that was the tipping point for me," Fisher said. (Fisher did not respond to multiple interview requests.)
Whedon was stunned. He had given the whole movie a lighter look, brightening everything in postproduction, including all the faces. He said the claim that he had disliked a character's skin tone, which Forbes ultimately retracted, was false and unjust. Whedon says he cut down Cyborg's role for two reasons. The story line "logically made no sense," and he felt the acting was bad. According to a source familiar with the project, Whedon wasn't alone in feeling that way; at test screenings, viewers deemed Cyborg "the worst of all the characters in the film." Despite that, Whedon insists he spent hours discussing the changes with Fisher and that their conversations were friendly and respectful. None of the claims Fisher made in the media were "either true or merited discussing," Whedon told me. He could think of only one way to explain Fisher's motives. "We're talking about a malevolent force," he said. "We're talking about a bad actor in both senses."
Some of Whedon's defenders proposed a theory: What if Fisher had been doing Snyder's bidding? Without furnishing proof, they speculated that Snyder had tricked Fisher into thinking Whedon was racist. Or maybe Fisher knew perfectly well his allegations were bullsh*t. Either way, the actor and director had "manufactured a controversy" that made Snyder seem like a progressive ally while diverting attention from the fact that their early cut had been a disaster. Whedon's advocates believed this campaign had poisoned Carpenter against Whedon, causing her to see the complicated story of their relationship as a simplistic narrative of abuse. "Once someone lights a fuse and people see there's a flame, they run to it and throw stuff into it," one person in Whedon's circle said.
In our conversations, Whedon was somewhat more circumspect. "I don't know who started it," he told me. "I just know in whose name it was done." Snyder superfans were attacking him online as a bad feminist and a bad husband. "They don't give a f*** about feminism," he said. "I was made a target by my ex-wife, and people exploited that cynically." As he explained this theory, his voice sank into a hoarse whisper. "She put out a letter saying some bad things I'd done and saying some untrue things about me, but I had done the bad things and so people knew I was gettable."
When Snyder's four-hour cut was finally unveiled, it was critically acclaimed. His fans pored through both films to analyze the differences. Some seized on a belief, first put forth by Fisher, that Whedon had intentionally erased people of color from the film. A remarkable reversal had taken place. Fifteen years earlier, Snyder's work was widely seen as the epitome of problematic cinema. His breakout effort, 300, a sword-and-sandal epic about the Persian Wars, was "so overtly racist" in the view of the U.N. delegation from Iran that it threatened to incite "a clash of civilizations." Now, the internet had recast Snyder as a progressive hero while branding Whedon, its progressive hero of yesterday, as a villain and bigot. "The beginning of the internet raised me up, and the modern internet pulled me down," Whedon said. "The perfect symmetry is not lost on me."
The journalist who wrote this article is just as bad, she comes across as a fangirl for the sh*thead. First of all, Whedon is lying because Snyder has said the Warner executives had never seen his cut of the movie.
https://youtu.be/NW-SmxrmyxY
Second, I include WB as trash because the sentence I highlighted in bold was the very same despicable accusation they used in Fisher's tell-all article with THR last year.
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By late June 2020, Fisher went public with his dissatisfaction at what he viewed as Warners' inaction. For their part, Warners sources contend that Fisher was being manipulated by Snyder, who hoped to reclaim control of the DC film universe.
Fisher says that "the assertion that a Black man would not have his own agency is just as racist as the conversations [Warners leadership] was having about the Justice League reshoots. I've been underestimated at every turn during this process and that is what has led us to this point. Had they taken me as seriously as they should have from the beginning, they would not have made as many foolish mistakes as they did in the process." Snyder denies any role in influencing Fisher.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/ray-fisher-opens-up-about-justice-league-joss-whedon-and-warners-i-dont-believe-some-of-these-people-are-fit-for-leadership-4161658/
Absolutely disgusting behaviour. I don't understand what the hell Whedon is thinking of trying to achieve here, the reactions to this NY Mag report has been overwhelmingly negative if you look online, and by those who isn't desperate Whedon shill. The moron has dug an even bigger hole for himself with this childish farce.
To Fisher's credit, he has not taken the bait:
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Looks like Joss Whedon got to direct an endgame after all...
Rather than address all of the lies and buffoonery today—I will be celebrating the legacy of Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
Tomorrow the work continues.
#MLKDay
A>E
https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1483153528763858948?cxt=HHwWiICy1deRnJUpAAAA
I'll cap this post off with this great tweet by critic Isaac Feldberg:
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Cyborg's the emotional core of Snyder's JUSTICE LEAGUE, Fisher playing him with a nobility and pathos that elevates its story of fathers and sons, of heroism as finding strength to carry one's heaviest burdens. Whedon's comments reveal only the limits of his own artistic insight.
https://twitter.com/isaacfeldberg/status/1483153796255657989?cxt=HHwWisC50aChnJUpAAAA
QuoteAccording to a source familiar with the project, Whedon wasn't alone in feeling that way; at test screenings, viewers deemed Cyborg "the worst of all the characters in the film."
I haven't read the whole article yet so I might be missing some context. Still, based on the bit quoted above, it's not clear who the audience was for these "test screenings".
I wonder that the "viewers" being referred to up there were WB execs but the writer deliberately phrased it in a way to make readers think that was an opinion held by a public test screening audience.
That line up above seems
very fishy to me. Am I all alone here?
PS- The bit where Cyborg explores his abilities and tops off the single mom's bank account is one of the best scenes in the whole movie and it's incomprehensible to me that anyone wouldn't savor that whole sequence.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Tue, 18 Jan 2022, 04:38
I wonder that the "viewers" being referred to up there were WB execs but the writer deliberately phrased it in a way to make readers think that was an opinion held by a public test screening audience.
That line up above seems very fishy to me. Am I all alone here?
A two hour runtime was mandated, so the film
was going to suffer in all areas. But I agree. The quoted comment is fishier than a barrel of salmon. They're trying to make it seem that Whedon isn't the main source of the Cyborg content being stripped as others shared his views - that Ray is a genuinely bad actor. To make it seem that Whedon was actually trying to remedy Ray's poor job in good faith. This is actually Whedon firing back with 100% personal malice while doing so 'professionally and based on facts'.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Tue, 18 Jan 2022, 04:38
QuoteAccording to a source familiar with the project, Whedon wasn't alone in feeling that way; at test screenings, viewers deemed Cyborg "the worst of all the characters in the film."
I haven't read the whole article yet so I might be missing some context. Still, based on the bit quoted above, it's not clear who the audience was for these "test screenings".
I wonder that the "viewers" being referred to up there were WB execs but the writer deliberately phrased it in a way to make readers think that was an opinion held by a public test screening audience.
That line up above seems very fishy to me. Am I all alone here?
PS- The bit where Cyborg explores his abilities and tops off the single mom's bank account is one of the best scenes in the whole movie and it's incomprehensible to me that anyone wouldn't savor that whole sequence.
Putting aside the video I shared of Zack saying his cut was never screened to anyone before 2019/20, I wouldn't give that piece of sh*t article I shared any credibility whatsoever, judging by this garbage writing I read:
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While Whedon's superhero epics were leavened by irony and wordplay, Snyder's were brooding and self-important, with a visual style that combined the artificiality of a video game with the fascist aesthetic of a Leni Riefenstahl production.
In other words, the dickhead disgrace who wrote this article is comparing Snyder's movies to a Nazi propaganda film director.
You can tell this sorry excuse of a "journalist" is a Whedon shill. What a disgusting, repulsive piece of drivel, to write that while slandering an ensemble superhero movie that features an African-American character taking center stage of the film. Not to mention the audacity to compare Snyder's work to Nazi propaganda, when Whedon was the one who cut out all of the black/Asian characters from his version of JL and replaced them with white characters.
This is nothing but the writer and Whedon projecting their own racism, as far as I'm concerned. That whole sequence is Cyborg's origin story, right in the middle of the film, but Whedon, Emmerich AND Johns couldn't have that, oh no! So with that in mind, we shouldn't be surprised if vermin with such hateful agendas couldn't savour such a moving sequence like everyone else.
As for the complaints about 300, the only "crime" Snyder committed was he adapted Frank Miller's story. A detractor might say Snyder shouldn't have adapted 300, well any criticism about that story's allegories should be aimed at the creator of the source material.
Like I was getting at, it's outrageous that all of these bloggers project their faults onto Snyder as this "misogynistic, racist" bogeyman, when more often than not that's exactly who they are. When it comes to Whedon, that's exactly what he does - project. People like him and the bloggers like this joke of journalist who wrote this failed puff piece are narcissistic sociopaths.
Meanwhile, I saw this tweet from a fan who made this observation from an episode of Doom Patrol, which featured a scene of an alien character making this dubious joke about Cyborg.
(https://i.imgur.com/vz0Epxo.jpg)
I don't watch Doom Patrol, so I don't know what the context of this scene. But according to some fans, the "fish-f***er" line could be an in-joke to insult Ray Fisher and even Jason Momoa, seeing as Jason backed Ray up publicly over that Frosty the Snowman fiasco. You might think of it as a stretch, but then again Geoff Johns is an EP on Doom Patrol, and Fisher did accuse Johns of gloating about getting another Cyborg on the show out of spite. Not to mention Johns' name was listed as a producer on that fake Frosty press release.
I'd like to know if there's more to this in-joke I'm not getting at or it just happens to be a coincidence. Under any normal circumstances, I agree this is a stretch. But not with the way WB is running at the moment.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Tue, 18 Jan 2022, 05:06
A two hour runtime was mandated, so the film was going to suffer in all areas. But I agree. The quoted comment is fishier than a barrel of salmon. They're trying to make it seem that Whedon isn't the main source of the Cyborg content being stripped as others shared his views - that Ray is a genuinely bad actor. To make it seem that Whedon was actually trying to remedy Ray's poor job in good faith. This is actually Whedon firing back with 100% personal malice while doing so 'professionally and based on facts'.
That's another issue.
Whedon's reputation and his career are both on the ropes at the moment. So, if you ask me, it makes no sense for him to unilaterally to do this NY Mag thing. Because people had stopped calling for him to be tarred, feathered and run out of town. Everyone has been talking about Jussie Smollett for the past few weeks. All Whedon did was remind everyone (1) that he exists and (2) that nobody of any significance has broken ranks with Charisma Carpenter. Now is just about the worst possible time for him to make fiery remarks, isn't it?
I wonder if Whedon truly is this brainless or if he's been promised something in exchange for saying X, Y and Z to the press in light of how active Fisher has been lately.
Fisher wrote a series of tweets reacting to Whedon's garbage yesterday. Charisma Carpenter blasted her ex-showrunner too, and expressed her support for Gal Gadot, who was ridiculed by Whedon.
Quote from: Ray Fisher
Before I get started today, I want to thank you all for lifting and supporting EVERYONE that has been negatively affected by Joss Whedon.
I was not the first to speak out about him, but I hope to be one of the last that has to.
A>E
https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1483466008379772930?cxt=HHwWhMC-nbKeqpYpAAAA
Quote from: Ray Fisher
The irony is:
[DC Films chief] Walter Hamada is probably KICKING himself right now for trying to throw Joss Whedon under the bus.
Had Walter waited, he would've seen Joss had already bought a roundtrip ticket to run HIMSELF over...
https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1483482343792914440?cxt=HHwWkMC5xZ7VsZYpAAAA
Quote from: Ray Fisher
Joss Whedon had nearly two years to get his story straight.
He's likely spent tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of dollars on PR, crisis management, and coaching.
And his response to the allegations is: "They all misunderstood and/or are out to get me—also my mom is sexy" ???
https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1483497075958550530?cxt=HHwWhMC43eGuuJYpAAAA
Quote from: Ray Fisher
I'm starting a team called "The Malevolent Force."
Who wants in?
*Joss Whedon's need not apply*
https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1483515031526547466?cxt=HHwWlIC9kfXDwJYpAAAA
Quote from: Ray Fisher
Joss Whedon: "I don't threaten people. Who does that?"
The World: I don't know—maybe the guy that used to spend his free time "plotting elaborate revenges" on his own family?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJaLhsGXIAIfZz0?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1483526542382796800?cxt=HHwWgMC42ffhxZYpAAAA
Quote from: Charisma Carpenter
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJaWL9vVIAISHek?format=jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJaWXlCUcAECiKt?format=jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJaX8JLVUAEWCv4?format=jpg)
https://twitter.com/AllCharisma/status/1483540189767110658?cxt=HHwWhMCs0aj8y5YpAAAA
Quote from: Ray Fisher
#IStandWithCharismaCarpenter who (like this "bad actor in both senses") has no agency in determining matters of abuse or race, but for the influence of a White male shadow puppeteer.
@NYMag and @lilapearl should be ashamed for regurgitating this nonsense.
A>E
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJaerL-XoAECrnz?format=jpg)
Quote from: Ray Fisher
Last thing:
Please don't put me on a pedestal. I've made more mistakes and apologies in life than I can count.
Taking accountability for our actions, and how they may have affected others, can be some of the hardest work to do.
But we must try, in earnest, to do it.
A>E
https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1483608014519209989?cxt=HHwWisC4tZ7o6pYpAAAA
Whedon really said a lot of screwed up things in that article. Calling his own mother "sexy" being one of them, WTF?!
Good Morning America did a short cover story on Gadot's brief response to Whedon's rubbish, but oddly neglected to mention anything about Fisher.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkmXSuTJ5xc
Lila Shapiro, the same putz who wrote that putrid article, is nothing more than an enabler and an apologist. Quite rich of her to say fan worship culture is not good for any creator, but writing drivel like comparing other directors to Nazi propagandists is just fine. The fact she even wrote she laughed in that article shows she is doing a great disservice to her profession.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Tue, 18 Jan 2022, 13:48
I wonder if Whedon truly is this brainless or if he's been promised something in exchange for saying X, Y and Z to the press in light of how active Fisher has been lately.
If Whedon ever works in the industry again, expect those f***s at WarnerMedia to be the ones who will give him a job.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Thu, 20 Jan 2022, 11:52
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:D
Yeah, Joss really stepped in it with that buffoonish rationale.
Trash human being. Pure and simple.
QuoteGood Morning America did a short cover story on Gadot's brief response to Whedon's rubbish, but oddly neglected to mention anything about Fisher.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkmXSuTJ5xc
If Whedon ever works in the industry again, expect those f***s at WarnerMedia to be the ones who will give him a job.
With the current regime? No doubt.
Post-merger ... hopefully common (and business) sense will prevail.
That'd be a new thing going on over there.
Fisher slams WB yet again, this time having a go at their promotion of Black History Month on Twitter.
https://deadline.com/2022/02/ray-fisher-responds-to-warner-bros-black-history-month-tweet-fans-set-istandwithrayfisher-trending-1234957136/
Not surprised to see the petty bastards didn't highlight Cyborg. We'll see if this dispute is still ongoing post-Discovery merger.
Ray Fisher has reacted to Toby Emmerich and Walter Hamada's puff piece in promoting "director-driven" films in wake of that reboot's opening weekend.
(https://i.imgur.com/Ui3m1lo.jpg)
Emmerich is also the same man who said he wanted the studio to have more control of the final cut of films and wanted to get from auteurs. The fact he's saying this now must reek of some desperation on his part.
"The change is a comin', it's rolling 'round the bend ...."
Ray Fisher's reaction to a couple of departures of certain WB personnel. One of which was Johanna Fuentes, who Ray alleged had approved a hit piece against him.
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This is a HUGE win for anyone that's undergone an investigation at Warner Bros. over the last 14 years.
John Rogovin's involvement in the Justice League investigation was the subject of many conversations between myself and WarnerMedia.
None of which were good.
Onward!
A>E
https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1522305176433872897?cxt=HHwWgsCikcKfqKAqAAAA
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This will go a long way toward changing the culture of Warner Bros.
The September 4th hit piece that was put out on me to protect Walter Hamada was straight out of the old Hollywood playbook.
It's nice to see @wbd on the path to something new.
A>E
https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1524827590233444352?cxt=HHwWgMCiuamno6kqAAAA
Hopefully this means Emmerich and Hamada are next on the chopping block.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Thu, 10 Mar 2022, 09:05
Emmerich is also the same man who said he wanted the studio to have more control of the final cut of films and wanted to get from auteurs.
Always wondered where that came from. Does he just not know what studio he works for? Old school WB was known as "the director's studio". They were very pro-director and gave directors flexibility that most other studios wouldn't dream of.
Snyder is actually a good example, in fact. The Watchmen film had a contractual obligation to deliver a >3 hour theatrical cut. Which Snyder delivered.
The director's cut came later. Then came that Tales Of The Black Freighter animated tie-in. Then came the Ultimate Cut, which spliced TOTBF into Snyder's director's cut.
I mean, that's a LOT of effort to put into a movie that lost money at the box office. But that was WB's rep. Putting Hollyweird nonsense aside, WB was staffed by people who were in it for love of the game. So, they invested a lot of time and money into Watchmen even after the theatrical version underperformed.
Point being that when Emmerich shot his mouth off like that, I wondered if his head was even in the game at all. Because what he said was literally the opposite of everything WB had always been.
Small wonder that Nolan noped out of there, honestly.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Thu, 10 Mar 2022, 09:05
Emmerich is also the same man who said he wanted the studio to have more control of the final cut of films and wanted to get from auteurs.
I meant to delete that. Made the sentence incoherent. :-[
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Fri, 13 May 2022, 04:01
Always wondered where that came from. Does he just not know what studio he works for? Old school WB was known as "the director's studio". They were very pro-director and gave directors flexibility that most other studios wouldn't dream of.
Snyder is actually a good example, in fact. The Watchmen film had a contractual obligation to deliver a >3 hour theatrical cut. Which Snyder delivered.
The director's cut came later. Then came that Tales Of The Black Freighter animated tie-in. Then came the Ultimate Cut, which spliced TOTBF into Snyder's director's cut.
I mean, that's a LOT of effort to put into a movie that lost money at the box office. But that was WB's rep. Putting Hollyweird nonsense aside, WB was staffed by people who were in it for love of the game. So, they invested a lot of time and money into Watchmen even after the theatrical version underperformed.
Point being that when Emmerich shot his mouth off like that, I wondered if his head was even in the game at all. Because what he said was literally the opposite of everything WB had always been.
Small wonder that Nolan noped out of there, honestly.
I've read that Watchmen sold really well on home video, so that must've factored in the release of the complete director's cut that came out at the end of 2009. Either way, I'm glad, because I finally saw the Ultimate Cut last year, and it made me appreciate Watchmen even more.
It's no exaggeration when I say Emmerich, and Tsujihara before him, ran the place into the ground. So much mismanagement going around, not just on the DC side of things either. The sooner he gets replaced, the better, because he's clearly not fit for leadership.
Anyway, douchebag hack Umberto Gonzalez trolled the Snyderverse fan community yesterday after writing this trash story with unverified proof that the Oscar Cheer Moment that the Flash Speed Force scene won in a social media contest was manipulated by bots. I can't be bothered going into detail, so I'm just going to post this video that explains what happens.
Warning: the video is foul-mouthed, but I couldn't find a better one that discusses what happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_KETbRBHxM&ab_channel=TheTruth31
The reason why I'm sharing this isn't that I care about the Oscar Cheer Moment, that's nothing more than a fun little piece of fan engagement. I'm sharing this because Gonzalez is the same hack who wrote that hit piece on Ray Fisher on September 4 2020, which is what Fisher was referring to in his tweet about Johanna Fuentes leaving WB:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSmnCyBXEAApTiF?format=jpg)
Rather strange timing to write this Oscar bot drivel at the same time Fuentes was reported to leave, to say the least. This guy was always an anti-Snyder clickbait merchant, I remember he used to tweet about how the Snyder cut didn't exist, and how Whedon and Johns "sAvEd" DC with Josstice League. Yeah, look how all of that turned out. It's not hard to see this piss poor excuse of a journalist get paid off by troublesome execs like a lackey.
But perhaps the most despicable tweet from yesterday was by Sean O'Connell, the two-faced snake who wrote a book about the Snyder cut saga, even interviewing fans and cast and crew.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSoZqSdWYAEnGAC?format=jpg)
Anyone who has read about Fisher's story and the arguments he had with Whedon over that Booyah line would understand O'Connell's gif is petty and spiteful. It's made even worse when this man actually pretended to be a fan and wrote the book for charity too. In fact, Fisher accused O'Connell of this, back in March this year:
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I hope it goes without saying, but please do not listen to @Sean_OConnell.
In addition to his tone deaf reviews—we've got Sean dead to rights on working directly with Joss Whedon's and @wbpictures' PR teams to help soften Whedon's "exit" from The Nevers.
More later.
https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1503063646888411136
It's amazing how bloggers will stoop so low for the sake of money and access. Shameless.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Sat, 14 May 2022, 06:57I've read that Watchmen sold really well on home video, so that must've factored in the release of the complete director's cut that came out at the end of 2009.
I don't think so. The alternate cuts would've had to be far in the production pipeline in order to meet an end of year release for 2009. There's no way they could've been completed if work on them only began after the theatrical cut came out on DVD.
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Sat, 14 May 2022, 06:57Either way, I'm glad, because I finally saw the Ultimate Cut last year, and it made me appreciate Watchmen even more.
Eh. I think the UC overdelivers, frankly. The director's cut offers the best balance. If I want to see the TOTBF stuff, I can watch the animated thing in full whenever I want.
My main point in ALL of this is to say that WB has historically been the studio that was friendliest to auteurs. For example, I have no love for Superman Returns. But I'm man enough to admit that ONLY old school WB would've allowed Bryan Singer that level of creative freedom with the film. Any other studio would've demanded a more formulaic approach.
Or, again, Chris Nolan. There's another one. Show me another movie studio that would've allowed him to do a major franchise film like TDK. For that matter, show me another studio that would've greenlit Inception or Dunkirk.
Essentially, Emmerich favored destroying WB's traditional identity in the marketplace. The people clamoring for "DC's Kevin Feige" didn't seem to understand how much damage that was going to do to WB's image as "the director's studio". But now, we see where that leads.
Quote from: Ray Fisher
May we never see the likes of Toby Emmerich again.
Better days are surely ahead.
Onward!
A>E
https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1532172969807556608?cxt=HHwWgMCt_dfMr8MqAAAA
Let's hope Ray is right.
Rolling Stone published a dogsh*t excuse of an article claiming the hype over ZSJL was generated by bots, conveniently on the eve of the movie's digital release in the US. Ray Fisher shot back at the journalist who wrote the hit piece and mocked her integrity as a reporter. Rightly so, I say.
(https://i.imgur.com/ckaNlbB.jpg)
https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1549287641987911682?cxt=HHwWhMC8udy5loArAAAA
I haven't given the RS article a click, and I won't. I have, however, seen screenshots of some of the ridiculous claims and falsehoods, accusing Zack Snyder of promising to destroy Geoff Johns and Jon Berg on social media - apparently even describing Snyder as "Lex Luthor wreaking havoc", and accusing the Chinese webmaster behind the forsnyder.com website of being a bot, even though she appeared on a live broadcast speaking to Snyder back in DC FanDome 2020. Laughable garbage with a clear agenda. It must've been commissed by one of the ousted executives, probably that scumbag Emmerich.
As for RS, what do you expect from a publication that posted this disgusting front cover celebrating the Boston massacre bomber?
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Tue, 19 Jul 2022, 10:19
I haven't given the RS article a click, and I won't. I have, however, seen screenshots of some of the ridiculous claims and falsehoods, accusing Zack Snyder of promising to destroy Geoff Johns and Jon Berg on social media - apparently even describing Snyder as "Lex Luthor wreaking havoc", and accusing the Chinese webmaster behind the forsnyder.com website of being a bot, even though she appeared on a live broadcast speaking to Snyder back in DC FanDome 2020. Laughable garbage with a clear agenda. It must've been commissed by one of the ousted executives, probably that scumbag Emmerich.
Judging from this:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYDCNO2XwAI7p4T?format=jpg)
It sure is coming across like a timed hit-piece.
QuoteAs for RS, what do you expect from a publication that posted this disgusting front cover celebrating the Boston massacre bomber?
True. I'm sure the loved ones of those murdered, really appreciated that sentiment.
RS is, at the very least, consistent in being s**t stirrers.
Quote from: The Joker on Wed, 20 Jul 2022, 02:50
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Tue, 19 Jul 2022, 10:19
I haven't given the RS article a click, and I won't. I have, however, seen screenshots of some of the ridiculous claims and falsehoods, accusing Zack Snyder of promising to destroy Geoff Johns and Jon Berg on social media - apparently even describing Snyder as "Lex Luthor wreaking havoc", and accusing the Chinese webmaster behind the forsnyder.com website of being a bot, even though she appeared on a live broadcast speaking to Snyder back in DC FanDome 2020. Laughable garbage with a clear agenda. It must've been commissed by one of the ousted executives, probably that scumbag Emmerich.
Judging from this:
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It sure is coming across like a timed hit-piece.
There you have it. Not surprised to read this wasn't commissioned by WBD, it wouldn't make sense that they would advertise the digital release for ZSJL, only to talk bad about it.
As a matter of fact, the trash article appeared to have cited its claims by people from WarnerMedia, as if it's still an operating company. It turns out WM ceased to exist a few months ago once the merger was coming into effect. It certainly is a hit piece sponsored by bitter former execs. Petty to the very end, only a deranged Snyder hater would eat this drivel up.
Ray Fisher tweeted a few more tweets, accusing RS of fabricating claims about being contacted over their agenda-driven article.
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https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1549403279154716673
When one of the hack writers tried to call Fisher a liar over the alleged contact, Fisher shot back with screenshots of the other writer switching the deadline time.
Quote from: Ray Fisher
Nice try, but you cropped out the part of those emails where @TatianaSiegel27switched deadlines on my team
Trying to spin half-furnished emails into a "gotcha" will get you nowhere @NoahShachtman
@RollingStone please rein in your employees. This is embarrassing and amateurish
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https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1549445090724167681
Trolling Stone has no class, and no integrity. When Forbes magazine, another publication who was guilty of writing their own anti-Snyderverse hit pieces in the past, come out and question the validity of Trolling Stone's article and agenda, you know the place has hit rock bottom.
A few days ago, Ray Fisher had another go after the RS hacks with even more ammunition in this long Twitter thread.
https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1549920816950812677
So, Tatiana Siegel is an Emmerich/Hamada/Sarnoff ally and Whedon apologist, who was an editor at THR and didn't want Kim Masters to write the report about the Fisher vs WB issue. Figures.
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Walter Hamada tried to protect his toxic and discriminatory colleagues.
He failed.
He tried to bury me (and the Justice League investigation) with lies in the trades.
He failed.
He is a product of old Hollywood cronyism.
May we never experience his like again.
Onward!
A>E
https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1583477507088855040
Sorry Ray, but seeing as Safran got his buddy Gunn a co-leadership role at DC Studios, it appears old Hollywood cronyism still exists.