I thought if people around here are going to start writing letters to WB in support for the release of B89's original sound mix in the 4K Ultra Blu Ray, it's only fair to start showing some support for Zack Snyder's actual cut of JL.
Before anybody doubts if the cut exists, here is Zack Snyder confirming his cut is "done" but it's "up to them".
https://youtu.be/9ZguNcj2_lI
And here is this cheeky compilation video, including testimony by some people involved in the production, such as Jay Oliva, Jason Momoa, Nick McKinless, and Ray Fisher throwing their support.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lf6YUphVlI
Anyway, I went through some trouble on the WarnerMedia site to find some contacts to email. I found three contacts on the bottom of this page:
http://www.timewarner.com/newsroom/press-releases/2019/03/04/warnermedia-announces-new-organizational-model-and-leadership
As well as the Executive Vice President, Worldwide Corporate Communications and Public Affairs for Warner Bros. Entertainment right here:
http://www.timewarner.com/newsroom/press-contacts
Please, if you're going to email any of these people, don't be aggressive or abusive. It won't help matters. Just air your grievances and let it be known.
This is what I wrote in my email.
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Hello all, I hope you are well.
I'm writing to express how I used to enjoy a lot of films produced by Warner Bros. over the years, ever since I was a child. I've also enjoyed a lot of content based on DC, whether it was comics, film or animation based on Batman and Superman. And yes, that includes Man of Steel and Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. Whenever I looked at the Warner Bros. logo, I used to be under the impression it would stand for quality, more often than not.
I stress "used to", because after learning what had happened to the 2017 Justice League movie, and that the film studio refuses to release the real version of the film despite fan support - where many even donated to charity to promote the cause - I'm saddened to say I will no longer pay or watch any new content by Warner Bros. ever again.
I am absolutely shocked and disgusted to learn that the PR surrounding Zack Snyder's departure from the movie due to tragic circumstances was tainted by deception. On the 22nd of May 2017 via The Hollywood Reporter, we were told by Warner Bros. Pictures President Toby Emmerich that Joss Whedon was brought in to finish the movie with additional new scenes, but not drastically change what Mr. Snyder had planned. This turned out not to be the case at all. As time goes by and more revelations are coming to light by people involved in the production - including the director himself - the true cut of the film does exist, it has come to my attention that Warner Bros. doesn't care about the fans who want to see it. The fact that Ben Affleck has left the Batman role despite teasing a potential solo movie for years, and a lot of other actors' future in the DCEU franchise remain in great doubt, makes me suspect it must be just as painful for the cast and crew as it is for the fans.
Please, if any of you care about the fans and the customers who want to enjoy the Justice League movie as it was originally intended, I urge you to convince your superiors to release Zack Snyder's cut of the movie. Otherwise, expect more people to stop supporting your content. Trying to sweep the controversy surrounding this movie under the rug will only continue to tarnish Warner Bros. as a brand. And by extension, it will hurt DC Comics too.
Thank you,
(name redacted here for obvious privacy reasons)
You're not gonna see a Snyder cut for AT LEAST 15 years.
Quote from: Paul (ral) on Mon, 10 Jun 2019, 10:43
You're not gonna see a Snyder cut for AT LEAST 15 years.
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First, you insinuated in the B89 Ultra Blu Ray thread the cut didn't exist. Now you're saying "oh you won't see it in 15 years".
In any case, I don't give a damn what you think, Paul. The point of this thread is to invite those who want to see the cut can make themselves heard. If you don't like it, you can always ignore this thread.
I'm just being realistic TLF.
Whether it exists or not...whether it's complete or not...WB are building a the franchise in a different direction. They're not gonna muddy the waters further with an alternatve film while they are doing that.
I say at least 15 years...cause I assuming by then the DC film universe will be in a different, hopefully more established place.
Oh, and calm your rhetoric "I don't give a damn what you think, Paul". Thank you.
Quote from: Paul (ral) on Mon, 10 Jun 2019, 11:10
I'm just being realistic TLF.
Whether it exists or not...whether it's complete or not...WB are building a the franchise in a different direction. They're not gonna muddy the waters further with an alternatve film while they are doing that.
I say at least 15 years...cause I assuming by then the DC film universe will be in a different, hopefully more established place.
Oh, and calm your rhetoric "I don't give a damn what you think, Paul". Thank you.
Well then you should've been a lot more clearer in the first place. How am I supposed to know if you weren't trolling? Your first comment didn't sound exactly benevolent. Neither did your post doubting the cut's existence in the other thread.
Regardless, like I said in my email, I'm quite happy to never spend another dollar on that corporation again if they think they can sweep this under the rug.
Besides, if the cut didn't exist, you wouldn't have these people showing their support. Snyder could've easily debunked everything and said "I never got to complete my cut, what we see in theaters is what we've got", but he didn't.
I don't "troll"
Quote from: Paul (ral) on Mon, 10 Jun 2019, 12:31
I don't "troll"
That's good to know. Please just keep in mind to be clear in the future and nobody will get the wrong message.
Wait...what's wrong with the B89 sound in the 4K version?
It has a new Dolby Atmos soundmix in which they changed the sounds of the Batmobile, Batwing, gunshots, explosions, etc. They embellished other sounds...for example when Joker is radioing for the helicopter there are sound effects of the burning Batwing over his voice.
Elfman's score has been reworked and sounds fantastic, especially in the opening credits.
I found this online yesterday.
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Meanwhile, despite Warner has withdrawn from Hall H this year, I've heard an online movement of fans planning to travel to San Diego for the Comic Con, to promote awareness of the cut. They'll be handing over these banners over the event, by the sounds of it. Good luck to them. (https://www.batman-online.com/forum/Themes/batmanonlinecom_default/images/post/thumbup.gif)
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During the week, many fans went on Twitter to congratulate and welcome new Warner CEO Ann Sarnoff, and politely asked for her contribution to help the Snyder cut to see the light of day.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2019/06/26/more-than-year-later-justice-league-fans-are-ramping-up-demands-releasethesnydercut/
What I hate about this article, however, is it still casts doubt if the cut exists at all. Yahoo! News did a much better job at objectively reporting the status of the movie with these two articles.
https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/heres-what-the-real-justice-league-snyder-cut-would-feature-124109882.html
https://news.yahoo.com/zack-snyders-final-cut-of-justice-league-could-still-happen-115821141.html
Meanwhile, fans attending this year's Comic Con are donating to have a billboard set up to raise awareness about the cut. This is a demo apparently.
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And here's a mock-up parody of the Comic Con logo.
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I don't think I like that billboard mockup very much. It's too busy with too much text conveying too many ideas. "Changed"? By whom? "Absence"? Where did he go? The running time thing is also kind of distracting.
The billboard needs to convey only that the fans want the Snyder cut to be released. Anything besides that single message is trivial at best and a distraction at worst.
This is activism, not advertising. The purpose of the billboard should call viewers to action rather than seek to inform. It isn't a horrible billboard but it doesn't take much imagination to see room for significant improvement.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Sat, 29 Jun 2019, 08:32
I don't think I like that billboard mockup very much. It's too busy with too much text conveying too many ideas. "Changed"? By whom? "Absence"? Where did he go? The running time thing is also kind of distracting.
The billboard needs to convey only that the fans want the Snyder cut to be released. Anything besides that single message is trivial at best and a distraction at worst.
This is activism, not advertising. The purpose of the billboard should call viewers to action rather than seek to inform. It isn't a horrible billboard but it doesn't take much imagination to see room for significant improvement.
I agree, let's hope the final design promotes the message much better than that mockup.
Last Friday, the official #ReleaseTheSnyderCut Twitter page set a time to get everyone to tweet at Warner its parent company AT&T with the hashtag, and it gained more than 40,000 tweets on the site - one of the most popular user activities on that day. This was apparently in response when the hashtag was mysteriously disabled on Twitter earlier during the week, incidentally on the same day a new photo of Darkseid was released.
Meanwhile, the Snyder cut website unleashed this very simple online survey: https://surveyhero.com/c/JusticeLeagueReleaseTheSnyderCut
The #ReleaseTheSnyderCut Twitter page has announced plans to organise a letter writing campaign to the new Warner CEO.
https://www.twitter.com/RTSnyderCut/status/1149862945968537601
I read the history behind the SII Donner cut movement, and that community wrote letters to Warner too. Some people might draw some comparisons between the behind the scenes in SII and JL. But I reckon what happened to the latter is far worse. Say what you want about SII and the Donner cut, but at least the Salkinds asked Donner if he still wanted to claim some credit for directing the movie, and allowed him to watch the theatrical cut so he could make his decision. Unlike Warner.
I dunno, I just don't see any of this SnyderCut stuff to pan out anytime soon. I feel it's a waste of time, right now. The movie is still relatively new, so the odds of them coming out with the Snyder Cut is so slim. If one every comes out(and that's a big IF), it wont be for another 15-20 years.
I'm not going to throw shade at people who do continue with the movement, but I just don't see it being a likely thing.
Quote from: Travesty on Mon, 15 Jul 2019, 14:25
I dunno, I just don't see any of this SnyderCut stuff to pan out anytime soon. I feel it's a waste of time, right now. The movie is still relatively new, so the odds of them coming out with the Snyder Cut is so slim. If one every comes out(and that's a big IF), it wont be for another 15-20 years.
I'm not going to throw shade at people who do continue with the movement, but I just don't see it being a likely thing.
Well put it this way, you can only make yourself heard by fighting for what you believe in. If people don't show there is a demand for the cut, Warner won't know.
But, if Warner Butchers think they can keep it locked up and assume people like me are just going to keep paying for whatever crap they put out in theatres, I'll once again happily tell them to get f***ed. Because there's no way I'll be giving any more money to those thieves ever again.
Quote from: Travesty on Mon, 15 Jul 2019, 14:25
I dunno, I just don't see any of this SnyderCut stuff to pan out anytime soon. I feel it's a waste of time, right now. The movie is still relatively new, so the odds of them coming out with the Snyder Cut is so slim. If one every comes out(and that's a big IF), it wont be for another 15-20 years.
I'm not going to throw shade at people who do continue with the movement, but I just don't see it being a likely thing.
Historically, it has taken longer for alternative cuts of other movies like Alien 3, Superman II, Brazil, Blade Runner, Star Trek V and so forth to get released. And the reasons for that vary. There were legal challenges to be resolved in some cases. In other cases, home video was such a new concept that movie studios saw nothing but risk in releasing alternative cuts of films.
None (or very few, I imagine) of those circumstances apply to Justice League. It makes sense for fans to flex on WB
especially right now so that the bean counters can weigh the cost vs. the benefit(s) of completing and releasing the Snyder cut. Fans organizing in order to show the level of demand which exists for the Snyder cut (which even I'm surprised by, tbh) is the best way of impressing upon WB the guarantee of some type of ROI with Justice League.
Money is not the most important thing in Hollywood. Ego is. So the
real obstacle to overcome may be waiting for the right person to get fired so that the Snyder cut can be released whether that person's ego gets ruffled or not. But right now, Justice League is probably
still in the red. Releasing the Snyder cut could go a long way to putting the movie into the black.
These shows of strength (and demand) from the fans is not a bad thing.
Obviously, it's probably too late to resuscitate the DCEU. But positioning the Snyder cut as a type of conclusion could go a long way toward pacifying fans and prepping them for whatever DC-related stuff WB releases next.
No, I don't think they'll come out with one right now, because the DCEU is still a thing. They're still making movies within that universe, and they don't want to muddy the waters to an already rocky cinematic universe. It makes them look weak with no overall plan. Sure, some of the hardcore people who follow these movies may know some of the inside dope and troubles of what's going on, but releasing a completely different version of JL(which is still relatively new), while their DCEU is still a thing, doesn't make any sense. The only way I see it making any kind of sense for WB and the DCEU, is to wait for the DCEU to officially end, which could take 10-15 years depending.
Quote from: Travesty on Mon, 15 Jul 2019, 21:59
No, I don't think they'll come out with one right now, because the DCEU is still a thing. They're still making movies within that universe, and they don't want to muddy the waters to an already rocky cinematic universe.
They brought this nonsense upon themselves with their shenanigans and deception. If they wanted to abandon Zack Snyder's planned story arc then there were better to let him go than the despicable PR debacle they created.
Let's face it, the DCEU now is a complete mess. Right now, they're just hanging on to Wonder Woman and Aquaman as the only remaining JL characters with ongoing movies, while the rest of the team is discarded. Unless you count awkward cameo appearances played by headless body doubles i.e. Shazam. Any semblance of a cinematic universe is long gone. If you ask me, the DCEU exists in name only.
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It makes them look weak with no overall plan.
That disgusting, pathetic disgrace of a movie studio already proved itself to be weak and clueless awhile ago. The longer this goes on, the worse it reflects badly on them. Besides, if the rumours of that Birds of Prey movie are true then it goes to show they REALLY have no idea what they're doing.
Meanwhile, the Snyder cut community unleashed the final billboard and bus stop advertising around San Diego in preparation for Comic Con. This is now live.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/willrowactor/status/1150837995592978443
I think it's worth mentioning regardless whether one thinks this advertising stunt is frivolous or not, the people in this online community should be cut some slack, because they've donated thousands of dollars to charity in promoting suicide prevention. You have to give them credit for at least promoting for a good cause, in addition to demanding the movie as advertised. They've got my respect. (https://www.batman-online.com/forum/Themes/batmanonlinecom_default/images/post/thumbup.gif)
https://screenrant.com/justice-league-snyder-cut-fans-suicide-prevention-praise/
Look! Up in the sky! It's a bird...it's a plane...well, yes it is, but it's carrying a banner demanding the release of the Snyder cut throughout SDCC 2019. Really, apart from the Watchmen HBO reveal, what else has Warner/DC got to offer this year?
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Here is a closer look of the inside right of the bus stop ad, which details the difference between the theatrical cut and the unreleased cut.
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The banner was also published as an ad in the latest issue of Hollywood Reporter magazine.
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This PR stunt was reported on various blogs and news sites all weekend with a quite objective and rather positive frame of mind, but not everybody was in good spirits. The so-called "feminist" blog The Mary Sue wrote a snarky, condescending article belittling the fans' efforts. But I have no desire to post that site's URL because they don't deserve the traffic, so instead, I'll leave it up to this YouTube video from a non-fan commenting and condemning the article's agenda right here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmWN-DBeVWs&feature=youtu.be
Really, one has to wonder how could such a website who prides itself as fighting sexism could make up such slander against Snyder personally, but at the same time, show their appreciation for James Gunn despite the way female characters in his movies are the butt of sexist jokes. Not to mention Gunn's rather well-publicised warped sense of humour towards women. But I guess you can't expect much from these people, they have to turn fans' demand to see the movie as it was intended into a political issue. Shame on them.
The Snyder cut fan community has taken a step further by organising a letter-writing campaign, where fans who want to see the cut are urged to send letters to new Warner CEO Ann Sarnoff. The picture below has instructions on what to do, and which dates to post letters depending on the region you live in.
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The PDF link below contains "Snyder and JL dollar notes" where you can print out and put it altogether in your letter.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1f2csi0I24kyImSKgm-j-BY659y1W_fTR/view
Source: https://twitter.com/RTSnyderCut/status/1169280119321616385
You know something? I'm going to do it too. And if anybody out there who thinks this is a waste of time, remember, Superman II fans wrote letters asking Warner to restore The Richard Donner Cut, and that film was only 75% complete. If the Snyder cut is "done", as the director himself says then there's no reason why anybody shouldn't demand the release for that movie. Nor should anybody else begrudge them wanting to see it.
I sent my letter earlier during the week.
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Who knows if it will make a difference, let alone if Ann Sarnoff will ever bother to read it. But at least I can say "I tried", as the cardboard sign said in the opening credits of the theatrical version of the movie.
Comic book artist Brett Booth, who is a massive MOS and BvS fan, has thrown his support for the Snyder cut by sharing his letter he wrote to Ann Sarnoff. He even offered to draw a cover for the movie's home video release. What a legend! (https://www.batman-online.com/forum/Themes/batmanonlinecom_default/images/post/thumbup.gif)
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Source: https://twitter.com/Demonpuppy/status/1175136023484887040