ok i've heard two versions of this song. which one was from batman and robin?
Uh well they both have the same name so it's kinda hard to seperate the two without people questioning the one from the watchmen & batman & robin :-X ...darn you smashing pumpkin & your awesome songs :P
that was my question. which one is from batman and robin? the fast one or the slow one?
Oh :-[ the fast version :P
ok ty. i like them both lol but i was just wondering. did the same pumpkins do the slow one? cause i know watchmen is pretty recent
Quotedid the same pumpkins do the slow one? cause i know watchmen is pretty recent
Yeppers :)
k thanks
ok i looked it up myself (should have to begin with lol) and both versions were on the soundtrack and the single had those two plus two instrumentals made up of parts from the songs. um, ok. lol
the fast one is batman and robiny i guess but the slow one almost sounds like it could have been from a 1997 tim burton movie. love them both like i said and i guess it depends on my mood which one i like better. right now i'm feeling rockish ;D
Have the single here. Was a Pumpkins fan at the time so I enjoyed the song and video
As a kid I thought the video (directed by Joel Schumacher too I think) was the greatest thing I'd seen since U2's comic book animated one lol Rocking out inside a giant Batman cowl? Excellent stuff. The kind of visuals were not getting these days from the movies and their spinoff's due to a lack of theme song soundtrack. Wish they'd be brought back in honesty (I miss the days of seeing my first glimpse at the new film through it's music video) but it's just a roll of the dice who we may end up getting musically. I think the rock genre is the only suitable music for our caped friend.
There seemed to be no expence spared when it came to the music videos and Batman himself in general. They were always high quality (mini movies in themselves really). And the artists seemed to be having a great time being a part of the Batman universe for that one moment. You look at videos for the Marvel films and you can see how bland they are. Generic movie-music video clip shows with no dynamic visual style. Maybe the budgets aren't there anymore. The songs are pretty crap too lol
The Pumpkins, like U2 before them, got unfairly and completely wrongly nominated for a Razzie for their song. I feel sorry for them because they seemed thrilled to write a Batman track and wanted to get the best Bat-like tone for the song. It's a shame the movie it represented was quite at odds with what they had intended. I think both Bat rock tunes are utterly superb and it's always a blast playing them on guitar having been taught them by my dad (who loved playing them on a whim himself).
It plays over the end credits. As mentioned Joel Schumacher directed both that one and that U2 song from batman forever.
I remember watching The Dark Knight for the first time in the theater, and the Watchmen trailer with the slower End/Beginning Pumpkins song played over it. Thought it was interesting due to the song's association with Batman & Robin, but since then, I associate it much more with Watchmen than I do B&R thanks to that (awesome) trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWTVDhrer4s
that is so freaking awesome! thanks for posting!
ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS loved this song!
I remember that this was the first song I ever downloaded using Limewire back in the day hahaha!
Music was such an important part of the original Bat series - it goes back to Prince and his involvement with the first. He was asked to write one song, and he wrote a whole album and really reflected every side of the 3 main characters on it. You go to Returns and originally the same thing was supposed to happen with R.E.M until Warner's pulled out and they went with Siouxsie instead at the last minute, and that track alone encapsulated the entire film, both musically but visually in the music video too.
Forever you had the incredible track by U2 (always will be one of my favourite songs ever), which again summed up Forever, hell U2 at the time summed up Forever, and then this one which sure maybe the tones aren't AS similar as the rest, but the way the film was being hyped and advertised (which was a lot darker than the film actually was), this song made sense on that front atleast.
Sorry for the bump; a HUGE music lover, and the music of the 90s Batman films really did shape my musical tastes (I have a Forever/U2 poster up on my wall :P )
Quote from: Seantastic on Sun, 31 May 2015, 17:45
(I have a Forever/U2 poster up on my wall :P )
Is it like in the style of the music video or what?
And lol I love my title for this thread.
Quote from: Catwoman on Sun, 31 May 2015, 19:06
Quote from: Seantastic on Sun, 31 May 2015, 17:45
(I have a Forever/U2 poster up on my wall :P )
Is it like in the style of the music video or what?
And lol I love my title for this thread.
Nah, its just the poster with the release info on it; still majorly cool though
Quote from: Seantastic on Sun, 31 May 2015, 17:45Music was such an important part of the original Bat series - it goes back to Prince and his involvement with the first. He was asked to write one song, and he wrote a whole album and really reflected every side of the 3 main characters on it. You go to Returns and originally the same thing was supposed to happen with R.E.M until Warner's pulled out
Never heard this before. What's the story there?
Quote from: Seantastic on Sun, 31 May 2015, 17:45and they went with Siouxsie instead at the last minute, and that track alone encapsulated the entire film, both musically but visually in the music video too.
You've got bangin' hot Siouxsie in that shiny leather outfit in the video. So no complaints here.
Quote from: Seantastic on Sun, 31 May 2015, 17:45Forever you had the incredible track by U2 (always will be one of my favourite songs ever), which again summed up Forever, hell U2 at the time summed up Forever,
I'm not trying to challenge you on this... but I don't see it. I can see where you can tie some of the lyrics to Batman in BF such as...
Quote from: BonoYou don't know how you got here
You just know you want out
Believing in yourself
Almost as much as you doubt
Of course you're not shy
You don't have to deny love
The rest of the lyrics though (really, the majority of them)... I just don't see it.
I always thought of the U2 song as the rock song to get attention for the movie. But for my money the Seal song did for Bruce in BF what Face to Face did for Selina in BR in perfectly capturing the character's struggles and epiphanies in the films.
Kiss from a Rose was the more insightful character piece for me.
Quote from: Seantastic on Sun, 31 May 2015, 17:45and then this one which sure maybe the tones aren't AS similar as the rest, but the way the film was being hyped and advertised (which was a lot darker than the film actually was), this song made sense on that front atleast.
I always thought TEITBITE (the fast one) was written from Ivy's point of view. I guess I could see a darker, grittier Batman thinking those thoughts... but it seems like a better fit for Poison Ivy somehow.
Quote from: Billy Corgan, TEITBITEThe sewers belch me up
The heavens spit me out
From ethers tragic I am born again
That symbolically and somewhat literally happens to Ivy.
Quote from: Billy Billy Corgan, TEITBITEAnd now I'm with you now
Inside your world of wow
To move in desires made of deadly pretends
Ivy's invaded Gotham City and is sowing dissent between Batman and Robin with her pheromone compound. It exacerbates existing tension between the two of them. But this is just a sideshow. The
real threat is still to come. Speaking of which...
Quote from: Billy Billy Corgan, TEITBITETill the end times begin
Yeah, she does everything in her power to bring this about. This is very literal. You don't need much interpretation here.
Separately I'd argue TBITEITB (the slow one) has lyrics more befitting of Mr. Freeze.
Quote from: Billy Corgan, TBITEITBSend a heartbeat to
The void that cries through you
Nora bobbing around in her water tan and Victor's hope for saving her.
Quote from: Billy Corgan, TBITEITBRelive the pictures that have come to pass
Mr. Freeze watching old home movies of himself and Nora when they were whole and healthy. They were happy.
Quote from: Billy Corgan, TBITEITBFor now we stand alone
The world is lost and blown
And we are flesh and blood disintegrate
With no more to hate
Hopefully no commentary for Freeze is necessary there.
Quote from: Billy Corgan, TBITEITBDelivered from the blast
The last of a line of lasts
The pale princess of a palace cracked
And now the kingdom comes
Crashing down undone
And I am a master of a nothing place
Of recoil and grace
Apart from saving his wife, Freeze is a guy with basically nothing to live for. Hell, that's his arc for the latter half of the film when he believes she's dead.
So on and so on.
What the two songs have in common is the narrator's alternating contempt for and fascination with Batman as per the chorus for each song...
Quote from: Billy Corgan, BothIs it bright where you are?
Have the people changed?
Gotham City didn't trust Batman in B89. At points the city feared him in BR. They'd warmed up considerably in BF. In B&R though, he's a welcome part of the mainstream.
Yes, that's a hell of a change.
Quote from: Billy Corgan, BothDoes it make you happy you're so strange?
The above notwithstanding, Batman's still a pretty friggin weird guy. This isn't rhetorical either; I'm sure Freeze and especially Ivy truly want an answer to this question.
Quote from: Billy Corgan, BothAnd in your darkest hour,
B&R is most certainly that as far as stakes are concerned. Bruce is losing his surrogate father, his partnership with Dick has never been in greater peril, Freeze is on the rampage, Ivy's destroying everything she touches and, holy crap, they just froze the entire city!
The Joker's parade would've killed, what, a few hundred people? A thousand tops? The Penguin's scheme would've killed dozens of babies.
Babies, yes, but still a lower body count than the Joker was promising. The Riddler and Two Face only really jeopardized two people (Chase and Robin). The stakes got smaller and smaller as the films went on.
But here in B&R? Yes,
everything Batman's fought for is on the table. And once Gotham falls, who can say that they won't turn their attention on the rest of the world?
Quote from: Billy Corgan, BothI hold secrets flame.
You can watch the world devoured in it's pain.
This is their threat. Batman can watch all this happen but, from their standpoint, there's nothing he can do to stop it.
Taken together, this chorus is the glue of their alliance. It's the unifying philosophy that allows Ivy and Freeze to have any sort of partnership. Yes, Ivy's deception helps but the manifestation of it is Freeze's (misplaced) hostility toward Batman.
Yes, I might've wanted a song from Dick's point of view. Just imagine how that chorus might've played into his character arc in the film... or not. Maybe Corgan considered a song like that but couldn't find a throughline for Dick as a character. It happens. And I'm happy to have these two point/counterpoint songs. But a third one for Dick would've been welcome.
Frankly I think all of the above is very literally true of the characters and it matches the tone of some scenes if not the film as a whole.
Again, not trying to derail your point (or this thread), I'm just saying I don't completely relate to it.
Sorry to type War & Peace here. Guess I had more to say than I originally thought.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu, 30 Jul 2015, 08:24
Quote from: Seantastic on Sun, 31 May 2015, 17:45Forever you had the incredible track by U2 (always will be one of my favourite songs ever), which again summed up Forever, hell U2 at the time summed up Forever,
I'm not trying to challenge you on this... but I don't see it. I can see where you can tie some of the lyrics to Batman in BF such as...
Quote from: BonoYou don't know how you got here
You just know you want out
Believing in yourself
Almost as much as you doubt
Of course you're not shy
You don't have to deny love
The rest of the lyrics though (really, the majority of them)... I just don't see it.
I always thought of the U2 song as the rock song to get attention for the movie. But for my money the Seal song did for Bruce in BF what Face to Face did for Selina in BR in perfectly capturing the character's struggles and epiphanies in the films. Kiss from a Rose was the more insightful character piece for me.
I agree. The song isn't about Batman, it's about fame. But I still think The Edge really created a killer 'Batman' vibe for my money. There's also a similar atmosphere going on with their song 'Gone', which features on their underrated album Pop.
For the record Seal originally wrote and recorded Kiss from a Rose like four years before Forever came out. It got rereleased the year before it came out and got kind of popular, then ended up on the soundtrack and got super popular.
I read a interview with Billy Corgan about the song and it was definitely written about Batman. The ethers tragic are his parents murder. I doubt they had any idea about Poison Ivy and her story lol.
From Wikipedia (but the source is in the link under it so it's like verified):
QuoteAt one point I found myself going, "I can't write a song about Batman, I'm in an alternative band." And I thought this is stupid, if I can write a song about Batman and it serves the purpose, which is to make it happen and connect with the movie, and connect with something that is unique and original, then, why not? For me, it was a great kind of artistic thing to do because it was very freeing. I wasn't talking about myself or trying to represent the Smashing Pumpkins. I was trying to represent Batman.[1]
http://web.archive.org/web/19970614024604/http://www.mtv.com/news/gallery/s/wirsmashing970502.html
Also from Wikipedia, I tried to get the source for that part but it's like from a magazine instead of an online article so I couldn't so take it with like a whole box of salt lol:
QuoteHe further commented that the song's lyrics were meant to represent the Batman of the 1940s, when he was a "darker character".[2]
Quote from: Catwoman on Thu, 30 Jul 2015, 14:19For the record Seal originally wrote and recorded Kiss from a Rose like four years before Forever came out. It got rereleased the year before it came out and got kind of popular, then ended up on the soundtrack and got super popular.
Yes indeed, I've heard that too. To me it proves my point even more because it was one of the major singles from the soundtrack. Whether Seal intended it or not, it fits BF perfectly.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 30 Jul 2015, 09:02
I agree. The song isn't about Batman, it's about fame. But I still think The Edge really created a killer 'Batman' vibe for my money. There's also a similar atmosphere going on with their song 'Gone', which features on their underrated album Pop.
Had 'Pop' almost on a loop for the past couple days.
"Gone" is an amazing song. But you rightly call 'Pop' an underrated album. People make it fun of it these days. But I think it's a great album and I'm shocked by how well the electronic elements hold up all these years later. Great song, great album.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Mon, 14 Feb 2022, 14:55
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 30 Jul 2015, 09:02
I agree. The song isn't about Batman, it's about fame. But I still think The Edge really created a killer 'Batman' vibe for my money. There's also a similar atmosphere going on with their song 'Gone', which features on their underrated album Pop.
Had 'Pop' almost on a loop for the past couple days.
"Gone" is an amazing song. But you rightly call 'Pop' an underrated album. People make it fun of it these days. But I think it's a great album and I'm shocked by how well the electronic elements hold up all these years later. Great song, great album.
I'm aware of what Bono is like, but I've always been a U2 fan. I just really dig their atmospheres. Nobody really does what they do, and when you look at their track record they've been remarkably consistent. I still like Pop, and Zooropa is another underrated masterpiece that should be listened to. Stay (Faraway, So Close!) is not just my favorite song by U2, but one of my favorite songs of all time. The melancholic atmosphere on that one is unbelievable.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon, 14 Feb 2022, 15:26
I'm aware of what Bono is like, but I've always been a U2 fan. I just really dig their atmospheres. Nobody really does what they do, and when you look at their track record they've been remarkably consistent. I still like Pop, and Zooropa is another underrated masterpiece that should be listened to. Stay (Faraway, So Close!) is not just my favorite song by U2, but one of my favorite songs of all time. The melancholic atmosphere on that one is unbelievable.
I like your comment about their consistency. And it's true. It's the rare U2 song that I skip. But when I do, it's usually because it's a gigantic hit single and I'm sort of burnt out on it. I don't need to hear "One" again. But that's arguably not the band's fault.
Zooropa, what an album! The first time I paid attention to "The Wanderer", I assumed that it was a song written by Johnny Cash that for whatever reason wound up on a U2 album. It was stunning to realize that Bono wrote an almost perfect Johnny Cash song, which is why Cash sang it.
Strange that Zooropa has become the U2 album that time forgot. What a strange fate. In fact, U2 seem to be embarrassed by a lot of their Nineties output. You get the idea sometimes that they wish the band could've gone from the Eighties straight to the 2000's.