which of the 2 iconic theme tunes do u prefer. if one why do u prefer that one.
for me i can't split them. both are fantastic and IMO very different reasons. I love how dark and eerie the elfman theme tune is- very in accord with the burton movies. but the zimmer theme tune is more epic sounding to me (for want of a better word).
both r 10/10 IMO but for different reasons. i'd sorta prefer the zimmer theme played if it was a car chase or major action set-piece type scene and the elfman one played at the beginning and other major parts of the movie.
what do u think?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6frI0Xjufg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=braiIuaM41M
Here's the thing: as far as Hans Zimmer is concerned, I only liked the soundtrack he made for The Dark Knight Rises. Even though there were quite a few themes here and there recycled from the last two soundtracks, I still liked the music he provided for this movie a lot. But as far as the rest of the music for the last two movies is concerned - I flat out HATED them! I thought they were far from epic and were mostly dull and forgettable, and that awful excuse for the Joker's theme in the second movie was especially an ear-piercing offense to the ears. >:( But in TDKR, I felt the music improved a lot; it was more exciting and memorable. Having said that though I never cared for the theme that Zimmer created for Batman, in fact I'd say I find Bane's theme to be far more exciting and memorable. I'd even say there were parts of Bane's theme that reminded me of Elfman composing.
But I still say that Danny Elfman's theme is better. To me it had that adventurous, swashbuckling feeling and I thought his music was a better influence to other scores, particularly the ones heard in The Flash TV Series (which I think Elfman himself composed), BTAS and sometimes Raimi's Spider-Man.
Don't forget this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfaMRYLa2Rk
The man with the Elves is my favourite Batman composer and Birth of a Penguin/Main Title is my favourite cue. Nothing is going to top that.
The MOTP opening is pretty freaking epic too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xgDpesd428
No piece of (bat) music has ever captured the dark, tortured essence of Batman quite as well as this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC8DmmeWcZU
With fancy moves like that, it's no wonder the criminal fraternity is so scared of him.
The Batman franchise has been blessed with some great musical themes. I also like the Batman Live music by James Brett and Christopher Drake's work in the DCAU movies (In Darkness Dwells for Gotham Knight, Under The Red Hood, The Dark Knight Returns Parts I and II).
To answer the topic question, I like both, but if I had to pick between the two composer's works, I'd pick Elfman, without question. The fact that it was adopted by BTAS and, more recently, the LEGO Batman videogames says a lot. It's, in my opinion, the equivalent to John Williams' Superman theme.
But if I had to pick my favorite Batman theme out of the whole bunch- from the 1943 serial music to The Dark Knight Returns adaptation- it'd have to be Shirley Walker's Batman theme due to its versatility.
The BTAS/MOTP theme is so simple, yet just as memorable to me as Elfman's and Goldenthal's. It can be arranged in so many different contexts.
It can convey heroism.
It can be a driven action theme
It can even be optimistic- listen to it at the end of Two-Face Part II.
On top of that, though, it's always made me feel a sense of tragedy, too. When I listen to it, especially with the vocal arrangement from MOTP, I don't just picture Batman fighting crime. I can also envision the traumatized child in Crime Alley, kneeling by the bodies of his parents. The orphan boy making his unbreakable vow. The grown man fighting a war he will never win.
yeah i loved some of the music in gotham knight. particular in the final 3 parts towards the end.
and some of the visuals of gotham were great in that aswell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh2H2-5MObQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mdV50dDYm4
Also loved Drake's work for TDKR (no score released, yet)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0mHUlxWq7g
Yeah there were a few parts of the dark knight returns which were musically great. the music in this scene is great.
i hope the next batman series has something like this- keep the joker in it until the very last film. sorta like this one .. and then kill him off. although the superman thing> BIG NO NO. (but thats a debate for another thread).
Quote from: Batman999 on Sat, 13 Apr 2013, 20:33although the superman thing> BIG NO NO. (but thats a debate for another thread).
No idea what you're trying to say here.
In regards to Zimmer and Man of Steel - I say give the guy a go. The one eyed adherence to the past set of films - costume, music and all, is pretty annoying from my point of view. As long as the music suits the film I will say it's mission accomplished. I also liked Zimmer's soundtrack for Rises quite a bit. Risen From Darkness was a good one.
Edit: This main theme from Arkham Asylum really connects for me. Just brilliant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dATZlB-_v0
I'm afraid I will be utterly merciless upon Zimmer's score when I finally hear it and if I do not care for it. Although reading a recent interview I feel pity toward him when he said he felt intimidated by following John Williams. At least he understands the importance of the original score to many and appreciates the fact he's following in the footsteps of greatness. At the same time he also stated he was so nervous he never got started on it from about three months. While that's understandable pressure can it be good for the final score? Fact is nothing will top the Reeve films far as I'm concerned in whatever capacity. I'll except the new things still and enjoy them (just like the Bale Batman's). Everything I've seen so far looks fine it's just that music. As long as there isn't any unnecessary geeky fan boy snorts and giggles about the way the older movies did things. That irritates the crap out of me these days more than people who can't accept the "new things".
As for the Batman score I never tire of hearing the thundering Elfman music. Zimmer's is very good. I often hear it used in dramatic talent shows such as Britain's Got Talent and X Factor. While this may seem on the surface as not very gratifying it shows how the new music too has found it's own place in popular culture outside the movies. However I feel the music was overplayed in the movies themselves. After hearing it for the fourth time in an action sequence it got tiring. Whereas Elfman's never got boring as it rattled the scenes along.
Quote from: Bobthegoon89 on Sun, 14 Apr 2013, 18:08At the same time he also stated he was so nervous he never got started on it from about three months. While that's understandable pressure can it be good for the final score?
Okay, do you see a relationship between that...
Quote from: Bobthegoon89 on Sun, 14 Apr 2013, 18:08Fact is nothing will top the Reeve films far as I'm concerned in whatever capacity.
... and this? You know, cause and effect? One might have begotten the other?
If you go into it with the attitude that absolutely nothing will ever be as good... honestly, not trying to start something, why go into it at all?
my point was i don;t like batman & superman mixing especially because the whole point of batman is he is a mortal man (who lives in the normal world) who decides to fight crime. in a one-off justice movie okay i'll accept that but not in a batman film- it's silly.
Speaking of games, Dark Tommorow had nice music too. After 6:40 the interesting part. Pity about the game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C98fwll-_A&feature=player_detailpage#t=400s
(All IMO of course)
Elfman's theme is memorable, powerful, and completely embodies the character - it would be next to impossible to apply that theme to another setting without invoking thoughts of Batman.
Zimmer's theme can be much more easily taken out and applied to other settings (trailers, spoofs, etc.) without being instantly recognized as Bat-music. It's not dissimilar to the themes he's devised for other characters and other movies. It isn't bad, but it isn't outstanding.
danny hands down
Quote from: Catwoman on Thu, 25 Apr 2013, 22:11
danny hands down
couldn't agree more. There's quite a big drop off after danny.
Quote from: Catwoman on Thu, 25 Apr 2013, 22:11danny hands down
Is that a mobster? "You ever meet Danny Hands-Down? Fuhgeddaboudit."
Here's a nice compilation of the various Batman themes over the years:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOsq6p1L198
QuoteBatman 89 - Main Theme by Danny Elfmann
Batman: The Animated Series - Main Theme by Shirley Walker & Danny Elfman
Batman: Mask of the Phantasm - Main Theme by Shirley Walker
Batman Forever - Main Theme by Elliot Goldenthal
Batman Beyond - Main Theme by Kristopher Carter
Batman Begins - Molossus by Hans Zimmer & James Newton Howard
The Dark Knight - A Watchful Guardian by Hans Zimmer & James Newton Howard
Batman: Arkham Asylum - End Credit Theme by Ron Fish & Nick Arundel
Batman: Under the Red Hood - Main Theme by Christopher Drake
Batman: Year One - End Credit Theme by Christopher Drake
Batman Arkham City - Main Theme by Ron Fish & Nick Arundel
The Dark Knight Rises - Why do we Fall? by Hans Zimmer
The Dark Knight Returns - End Credit Theme by Christopher Drake
Personally, I would've included Christopher Drake's In Darkness Dwells music from Gotham Knight and used Like A Dog Chasing Cars instead of A Watchful Guardian (but then I remember that they didn't actually use that track in The Dark Knight). Still, a great list. I particularly like the transition from Why Do We Fall to The Dark Knight Returns End Credits.