I got bored and made this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDDBIKn1-bQ&list=UU_W72lXRtb8j4X8goosKTPg&index=1
Bane was the mastermind behind the events of Batman & Robin all along.
Fantastic!
Loved the "what is this?!" part.
That was brilliant, matched up very well.
Y'know, for all the talk of "Nolan's gonna do Bane right" - he didn't do that for me. Other comic elements were touched upon, but ultimately it was a missed chance.
Comic Bane finds out Batman's identity himself - TDKR Bane gets second hand info passed onto him. Comic Bane wanted to prove he was the better man and could take Gotham from Batman - TDKR Bane wanted to fulfil the work of a man who hated and excommunicated him. Comic Bane escaped prison himself - TDKR Bane remained in prison and was rescued.
B&R is the more honest, straightforward movie and not all that different to Hardy's Bane.
Schumacher's Bane may have been a roaring buffoon, but Hardy's Bane voice is just as ridiculous. He's still a lap dog to the female villain in Talia, ala Poison Ivy in B&R. Hell, Jeep Swenson resembles the character and blew up like a balloon when venom was injected into his body at least.
Hardy's Bane and his plan were just head scratchingly absurd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXpcYvnV6GY
^ All solid points, TDK, and that video sums up a ton of the problems I had with his "plan."
I never really thought about it, but Batman & Robin's Bane is more similar to the Dark Knight Rises' Bane than I first thought. They're essentially just henchmen who provide a physical match for Batman. I mean, Hardy had much more going for him, but we find out in the end that he wasn't all he was cracked up to be. Just like Swenson's Bane, he was essentially defeated by cutting off his supply to the drugs. But aside from not acting a thing like he did in the comics, B&R's Bane actually looks better than he's given credit for.
Not to knock Hardy, but wasn't the mastermind he was hyped up to be.
Quote from: Slash Man on Sun, 16 Dec 2012, 23:05
Not to knock Hardy, but wasn't the mastermind he was hyped up to be.
Indeed, it's all in the writing. Talia tells Bane what to do, he cries and remains standing. Him disobeying her order doesn't change anything. She had a hold over him and it was all about Ras - "it doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan" - Ras plan.
If Hardy's Bane came to Gotham with his own plan it would've been better. The 'Gordon lied about Dent' thing was discovered by pure chance and became his reason to storm Blackgate. Was he going to do so anyway or was that just made up on the fly? A rock solid blueprint of a plan before touching down in Gotham would've been better. And of course, the letter he reads off is somehow deemed to be proof.
As said, Jeep Sweson's Bane isn't like the comics, but looks like the comics. And at the end of the day, both aren't their own person - they're serving someone else's ultimate goal. Both walking muscle, just that Hardy's Bane was more formidable.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 16 Dec 2012, 23:50
As said, Jeep Sweson's Bane isn't like the comics, but looks like the comics. And at the end of the day, both aren't their own person - they're serving someone else's ultimate goal. Both walking muscle, just that Hardy's Bane was more formidable.
The general problem with Bane being portrayed outside the comics medium as a henchman, is that it's not exclusive to just the live action Batman films. As it was indeed often the case in
The Animated Series where he was seen as a mercenary hired by the likes of Rupert Thorne, Penguin, and even Jim Gordon (although that was revealed to be a nightmare connected with the Scarecrow). The same thing transpired in
The Batman, as well. Hired by crime bosses to take out the Bat. And even, to a lesser extent, in
Justice League: Doom where he comes across as Vandal Savage's lackey.
Dark Knight Rises ultimately continued on with the theme of Bane being hired muscle/loyal henchman, and even though I do agree with the consensus that it would have been nice to see Bane as the sinister mastermind for once, I suppose I'm just more forgiving of that notion 'once again' being done away with following the Talia reveal due to being so used to seeing Bane being portrayed otherwise. Doesn't necessarily make it perfectly acceptable, but at the same time it's far from being anything new either. As a result, it's difficult for me to be too terribly offended.
With Hardy's Bane, not only did I think it was miles better than any other interpretation we've seen outside the comic books thus far, but it was finally nice to see a Bane being portrayed as a charismatic leader (atleast for most of the film) that actually severely injured Batman and took him out of action for an extended period of time. Something of which that was
severely lacking in previous interpretations. Being that it's an important aspect to the Bane character, it was very satisfying seeing that finally play out. With the voice ... I really dug it. Probably in the minority on that one, but ... *shrugs*
QuoteWith Hardy's Bane, not only did I think it was miles better than any other interpretation we've seen outside the comic books thus far, but it was finally nice to see a Bane being portrayed as a charismatic leader (atleast for most of the film) that actually severely injured Batman and took him out of action for an extended period of time. Something of which that was severely lacking in previous interpretations. Being that it's an important aspect to the Bane character, it was very satisfying seeing that finally play out. With the voice ... I really dug it. Probably in the minority on that one, but ... *shrugs*
^ Agreed. I might be in the minority for that, but he really was like a flamboyant Bond villain - someone with the appearance and characterization of Hardy's Bane wouldn't look out of place in a Craig film. I love the sequence where he reads Gordon's letter.
Just for kicks, I might follow-up on this by doing the opposite and dubbing over Hardy's voice in TDKR with Henry Silva's.
Didn't know where to put this, a mashup (not mine, a find while searching for something else)
(https://www.batman-online.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fth02.deviantart.net%2Ffs71%2FPRE%2Ff%2F2012%2F145%2F8%2F0%2Fdark_knight_trilogy_posters_by_umbridge1986-d5111uh.jpg&hash=1bf0674c0ae67300ec6e4cd126f90e31fb4517d1) (http://umbridge1986.deviantart.com/art/DARK-KNIGHT-TRILOGY-POSTERS-304059545)
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 16 Dec 2012, 05:11
Hardy's Bane and his plan were just head scratchingly absurd:
I know this doesn't pertain to the video you shared, but a lot of stuff that Bane did in the movie made absolutely no sense at all. The most obvious one is his plan in the prologue. What was the point of risking the lives of all of your men PLUS yourself, just to kidnap Pavel to make it look like he was dead, when you already have Pavel in the friggin car before you got on the plane? Here's an idea: transfer his blood over to someone in the car, and drive the car off the cliff. Easy way to do it, especially since they had him to begin with. It looked really cool in the movie, but made absolutely no sense whatsoever. And why do people need to think he was dead in order for the plan to work? He's missing, he's dead: what's the difference?
One thing that occurred to me today is that the film had a variation on the trope of "Batman disconnects the Venom tubes, Bane weakens and gets defeated" in the final fight. In this case, Bane wasn't getting pumped by Venom or any kind of steroid that made him stronger. Instead, it was an anesthetic to dull his pain. And instead of the tubes being in the back of his head, they were in the front.
Personally, I think these changes made it easier for Batman to defeat Bane than in other incarnations.
What's also interesting to me is that this seems to be the common way to defeat the character, yet if you go back to the Knightfall comics, the Jean Paul Valley Batman slices Bane's Venom tubes...and the fight still continues for the next 12 or so pages. Plus, Bane gets himself off of Venom in later comics and still goes toe to toe against The Dark Knight. Obviously, the comic book Bane doesn't go down as easily as his movie and TV counterparts. I believe it was B:TAS that started the trope in the first place and, clearly, "Bane's Achilles hell" carried over into the other adaptations- B&R, The Batman animated show if I recall correctly, Superman/Batman: Public Enemies, The Brave and the Bold show, the Arkham Asylum video game, and Justice League: Doom.
Quote from: Slash Man on Sat, 15 Dec 2012, 20:25
I got bored and made this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDDBIKn1-bQ&list=UU_W72lXRtb8j4X8goosKTPg&index=1
Bane was the mastermind behind the events of Batman & Robin all along.
My god, Hardy's voice fits in perfectly. :D
On another note, I still can't believe how cheap Batman & Robin looked. It didn't even looked like it had a $100 million budget.
Thought I'd bump this thread with an amusing comparison video I found:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dagqtw7J2B8