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Title: Should Knox have returned in Batman Returns?
Post by: Bobthegoon89 on Mon, 1 Oct 2012, 00:01
Or "Batman II: The Annuity" as Robert Whul speculated on the sequels title  ;D

Given the much darker tone would it have been a benefit if he had been around to brighten the mood? Was he rejected simply as the tone was vastly different? Or did they just basically forget all about him?

Even though he vanished I like to think those Gotham Globe titles are still his work throughout the sequels. Remember "Me-ouch!" or "It's a Cat-tastrophe!"? Certainly sound like his kind of work. There's even one in Batman and Robin in relation to Poison Ivy.
Title: Should Knox have returned in Batman Returns?
Post by: Paul (ral) on Mon, 1 Oct 2012, 02:09
Perhaps he was now the editor of the Globe.
Title: Re: Should Knox have returned in Batman Returns?
Post by: thecolorsblend on Mon, 1 Oct 2012, 02:36
Quote from: Bobthegoon89 on Mon,  1 Oct  2012, 00:01Or "Batman II: The Annuity" as Robert Whul speculated on the sequels title  ;D

Given the much darker tone would it have been a benefit if he had been around to brighten the mood? Was he rejected simply as the tone was vastly different? Or did they just basically forget all about him?

Even though he vanished I like to think those Gotham Globe titles are still his work throughout the sequels. Remember "Me-ouch!" or "It's a Cat-tastrophe!"? Certainly sound like his kind of work. There's even one in Batman and Robin in relation to Poison Ivy.
I guess I assumed he was cut out because there were enough characters already and because BR was less dependent on media/journalism stuff than B89 was.
Title: Re: Should Knox have returned in Batman Returns?
Post by: GBglide on Mon, 1 Oct 2012, 07:21
I have always liked Knox, I wish he had become a part of the larger Batman mythos.
Title: Re: Should Knox have returned in Batman Returns?
Post by: Gotham Knight on Mon, 1 Oct 2012, 12:15
The film is so loaded with characters and I am so married to the final product, no, I don't think Knox should have been in it, despite adoring Whul and Knox in general. It would have been nice however, to give mention of the character whether via prop (a newspaper byline under "BATMAN BLOWS IT" or better yet one rag of papers on that rack that defends Batman's work that just happens to be written by the original Man Bat enthusiast) or they could have given him a 'vicki vale esque' out.
Title: Re: Should Knox have returned in Batman Returns?
Post by: Silver Nemesis on Mon, 1 Oct 2012, 13:05
I'd have liked Batman Returns to have been more of a direct sequel to the first film like in Hamm's original script. And as part of that, I would have liked to have seen Knox return.

QuoteI have always liked Knox, I wish he had become a part of the larger Batman mythos.

Robert Wuhl did briefly reprise his role as Knox in a Batman-themed promotion for MTV.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMqgkTVzlmQ

And The Batman Files (2011) by Matthew K. Manning contains a number of newspaper articles written by Knox. You can read some of them here:

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=OuZ0VXQqGAkC&pg=PT261&lpg=PT261&dq=%22alexander+knox%22&source=bl&ots=T1r3HLKKgt&sig=OOe-nmV7mCOg5jVQLAN2edu7frE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0I5pUIjCLqWc0QX0j4GQDQ&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%20%22alexander%20knox%22&f=false

Notice how the article headed 'Gotham's Finest? Not Even Close' mentions a character named Kimberly Wuhl; a clear nod to actor Robert Wuhl.
Title: Re: Should Knox have returned in Batman Returns?
Post by: greggbray on Fri, 5 Oct 2012, 21:39
I thought the 'Aggressive Reporter' was more or less the BR version of Knox.  I would have liked it had Wuhl reprise that role, of course.
Title: Re: Should Knox have returned in Batman Returns?
Post by: The Dark Knight on Sat, 6 Oct 2012, 00:05
I do like Wuhl as Knox. He's a great guy and was fun in B89. However I didn't miss him in BR.
Title: Re: Should Knox have returned in Batman Returns?
Post by: Grissom on Fri, 9 Nov 2012, 02:26
I guess for some BR looked so different and at times felt different from the original that it wouldn't mean much to see a reprising character or not.
Title: Re: Should Knox have returned in Batman Returns?
Post by: Silver Nemesis on Mon, 20 May 2024, 11:19
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Mon,  1 Oct  2012, 13:05I'd have liked Batman Returns to have been more of a direct sequel to the first film like in Hamm's original script. And as part of that, I would have liked to have seen Knox return.

Twelve years later, and I no longer hold this view. I love Batman Returns' individuality and the older I get the fewer things I'd want to change about it. Maybe tone down some of the sexual innuendo and pervy Penguin moments, but other than that I'd leave it as it is.

Anyway, I saw this video praising Batman Returns on YouTube. The most interesting part of it is a Robert Wuhl cameo at the 17:00 mark. He briefly chimes in to discuss his feelings about not being in Batman Returns and also shares his opinion on the declining quality of the Burton-Schumacher series as a whole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VEHeAE_NIs

It's good to see he still has such affection for the role.
Title: Re: Should Knox have returned in Batman Returns?
Post by: The Dark Knight on Mon, 20 May 2024, 12:30
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Mon, 20 May  2024, 11:19
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Mon,  1 Oct  2012, 13:05I'd have liked Batman Returns to have been more of a direct sequel to the first film like in Hamm's original script. And as part of that, I would have liked to have seen Knox return.

Twelve years later, and I no longer hold this view. I love Batman Returns' individuality and the older I get the fewer things I'd want to change about it. Maybe tone down some of the sexual innuendo and pervy Penguin moments, but other than that I'd leave it as it is.

Anyway, I saw this video praising Batman Returns on YouTube. The most interesting part of it is a Robert Wuhl cameo at the 17:00 mark. He briefly chimes in to discuss his feelings about not being in Batman Returns and also shares his opinion on the declining quality of the Burton-Schumacher series as a whole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VEHeAE_NIs

It's good to see he still has such affection for the role.
I'm still fine with Knox being absent in Returns. If Vicki wasn't going to appear I don't think Knox should've either. They were a tag team and their dynamic worked very well in the first movie. I'm optimistic Batman Resurrection gives Knox a mention, however. Wuhl himself looks really good and in good spirits. No sour grapes at all. Understanding there just wasn't a part there for him in the sequel. He arguably starred in the most important Batman film of all time anyway, even though Returns is amazing in its own way.