QuoteWhat about the story? Screewriter(s)? I've noticed a lot of people mentioning David Goyer and Jonah Nolan, ie Christopher Nolan's Creative Posse. They might actually have some time since we've heard rumblings from inside the studio that Jonah has already handed in the first draft of "Batman 3", if so things are certainly moving along on the Caped Crusader front.
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Hopefully it is. I want this ball rolling.
Yep, really looking forward to the third...and maybe fourth and fifth as well. I appreciate the work that went into BB and TDK and rank them as some of the best superhero movies ever.
I'm a Burtonite, I prefer Burton, to me that's Batman, etc.
That said, I was happy to hear that news. Hope it's true. I want at least one filmmaker out there to be able to finish what he started in good style. BB was a pretty wobbly and uneven beginning, TDK was a massive improvement and I hope that the third continues in that line of improving each time out. I don't care if you're a total Nolanite or if it's Burton to hell and back, this news (if true) is good for everybody.
Quotewe've heard rumblings from inside the studio that Jonah has already handed in the first draft of "Batman 3", if so things are certainly moving along on the Caped Crusader front.
Well, if so, that's
outstanding news!
As a Batman fan, you?ve got to be excited about this news. Nolan?s Batman honors the character, that cannot be denied. I do critique the films quite a bit, but I do enjoy them as pure escapism. It?s just when they are viewed under pretension I lose it.
Anyway, I think they can improve after TDK. TDK was definitely a step up from BB. I think the way TDK ended opened up a lot of possibilities, and things can only get better.
I?d like to have a more stealth oriented piece, Batman getting around undetected and so on. I?d actually like it to be the least action oriented. But we?ll see how things turn out.
I?m excited to know another decent Batman film will soon be joining the ranks.
yay
This has nothing to do with Batman 3's scripting.
I?ve been thinking.
If Zimmer and Newton Howard want to expand upon their Batman theme, I think they should take a leaf out of Batman: Arkham Asylum.
In the game, they have Batman music that has a blend of past and present. They have the distinguishable BB/TDK sound, but swirling over the top of it is a haunting choir, much like Elfman?s Batman Returns.
It's a pretty good mix.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Fri, 12 Feb 2010, 02:18
I?d like to have a more stealth oriented piece, Batman getting around undetected and so on.
I was actually thinking that this would have to be the approach they take since Batman is a wanted man.
In one of the old movie serials Batman goes undercover. He did that in BTAS as well. Remember Matches Malone? I think it'd be cool if they did that in the next film. Perhaps make it an espionage story like the previous one was a crime story.
Interesting idea Phantom, it will be very interesting to see what they do in the third one after the events in TDK.
I guess I'm in the minority, who really didn't like TDK, and thought BB was a better movie from Nolan? :-[
Quote from: Travesty on Sat, 13 Feb 2010, 00:21
I guess I'm in the minority, who really didn't like TDK, and thought BB was a better movie from Nolan? :-[
I do think BB is better paced than TDK, which cuts scenes and changes tangent quite abruptly. But TDK has it over BB in the key areas. Improved score, villains, etc.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 14 Feb 2010, 09:11
I do think BB is better paced than TDK, which cuts scenes and changes tangent quite abruptly. But TDK has it over BB in the key areas. Improved score, villains, etc.
Except they wasted Two-Face by rushing him in the finale. They should have had him disappear after the hospital scene with a Two-Face teaser at the end of the film. then we could get the next Batman film where Two-Face is the MAIN villain like he deserves to be!
I know some feel that it was a natural progression due to the whole "die a hero..." thing, but I felt cheated. I didn't feel they established Harvey's shaky psyche well to begin with( although I do like the scene with Harvey and the fake cop), and They threw in the "Harvey Two-Face" nickname without explaining why the cops call him that in the first place.
In BB I thought they gave the main villains adequate screen time, though they rushed Scarecrow out of the finale( I sense a pattern). The video game tie-in gave Scarecrow a better denouement.
I don?t think they wasted Harvey Dent at all. Nobody will convince me otherwise. His death is essential as it?s behind the very meaning of the film.
Eckhart did brilliantly, probably better than Ledger. I?ve said it before in another thread and I don?t want to repeat myself, but Nolan?s Two-Face could not support a third film. Here, he?s a vigilante with a grudge that can only go so far.
And while I sometimes think Dent should?ve starred in Begins, I?m now glad he didn?t. The previous DA was murdered, and the viewer knows his replacement is doomed as well. In that regard, it works well.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon, 15 Feb 2010, 06:05
Nolan’s Two-Face could not support a third film. Here, he’s a vigilante with a grudge that can only go so far.
Which is another reason I don't like Nolan's "realistic" approach. Thank goodness for the animated series. IMO that was the only interpretation to really do Two-Face justice.
Quote from: gordonblu on Mon, 15 Feb 2010, 08:56
Thank goodness for the animated series. IMO that was the only interpretation to really do Two-Face justice.
I like Eckhart's Two-Face a lot, but I agree, The Animated Series version is still top dog.
Nolan speaks Batman 3:
Quote"Without getting into specifics, the key thing that makes the third film a great possibility for us is that we want to finish our story, and in viewing it as the finishing of a story rather than infinitely blowing up the balloon and expanding the story. We have a great ensemble, that's one of the attractions of doing another film, since we've been having a great time for years."
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"I?m very excited about the end of the film, the conclusion, and what we?ve done with the characters,? Nolan said.?My brother has come up with some pretty exciting stuff. Unlike the comics, these things don?t go on forever in film and viewing it as a story with an end is useful. Viewing it as an ending, that sets you very much on the right track about the appropriate conclusion and the essence of what tale we?re telling. And it harkens back to that priority of trying to find the reality in these fantastic stories. That?s what we do."
I wonder if Batman 3 will end with either Batman/Wayne dying, or, as in The Dark Knight Returns, faking his death. I gather Nolan's really talking about thematic finality, and not the end of the character.
maybe bruce gives up the batman mantle and marries selina kyle? thats how catwoman returns would've ended. i'll sue that bastard. lol jk.
If you think about it in a psychological sense, sooner or later Bruce would come to terms and be at peace with who he is and what he's lost and give up being Batman.
Or he'd keep on going until he's dead.
Really, it's one or the other.
That doesn't necessarily mean you make that kind of story into a film for crying out loud, but one of those is basically what would happen, I think.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu, 11 Mar 2010, 06:20
That doesn't necessarily mean you make that kind of story into a film for crying out loud, but one of those is basically what would happen, I think.
Agreed.
Though if he does do this, we will be free of his continuity constraints and his series will be tied off. It will be its own thing. I take it this will be his last, and he is the one to finish it off. I wouldn't want Batman dying, but having him faking his death ala TDKR would work.
In an unrelated seires, the next director
could then be able to do something more in line with the fantastical side of the comics. And re-casting a Joker would not be a big deal at all. And so on.
as long as they don't kill him off. you can't kill batman! as the rogues gallery has proven since 1939! lol.
oh and if there's catwoman, no killing her off either. they can kill anyone else though. :P
Quote from: Catwoman on Thu, 11 Mar 2010, 17:07
as long as they don't kill him off. you can't kill batman! as the rogues gallery has proven since 1939! lol.
oh and if there's catwoman, no killing her off either. they can kill anyone else though. :P
If it's the last instalment in a trilogy, does it genuinely matter whether Batman is killed off, especially if it serves the story?
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Thu, 11 Mar 2010, 17:22
Quote from: Catwoman on Thu, 11 Mar 2010, 17:07
as long as they don't kill him off. you can't kill batman! as the rogues gallery has proven since 1939! lol.
oh and if there's catwoman, no killing her off either. they can kill anyone else though. :P
If it's the last instalment in a trilogy, does it genuinely matter whether Batman is killed off, especially if it serves the story?
yes it matters. and don't ask why. it just does.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 11 Mar 2010, 06:56Though if he does do this, we will be free of his continuity constraints and his series will be tied off. It will be its own thing. I take it this will be his last, and he is the one to finish it off. I wouldn't want Batman dying, but having him faking his death ala TDKR would work.
In an unrelated seires, the next director could then be able to do something more in line with the fantastical side of the comics. And re-casting a Joker would not be a big deal at all. And so on.
Hmm. Y'know, you raise a good point. Probably the first good point you've had in years.
If Batman dies at the end of Batman Concludes, that does finish his continuity off, and opens the door for a more stylized type of Batman franchise. I'd love to see something in the style of the Sin City movie. You'd want to move in a direction completely away from Nolan's approach and something like that would be the way to do it.
what if they said the hell with movies for a little while and brought back a live action tv show, only one that was seriouser than the 60s one. kind of the same tone as the cartoon.
and yes i totally just said seriouser.
I'm going to revisit this. Irrespective of whether or not Nolan whacks Batman at the end Batman Concludes (and seriously, I wouldn't put it past him), I am happy that he's going to finish what he started with the first one. Is it "my Batman"? Hell no. But it's good for comics movies overall that this is happening.
Nolan leading a Superman reboot? Not so much. At least so far. But that's a different thread.
re: TV. I'd be kind of interested in a Batman show. Comics are episodic by nature, particularly lately with all this hysteria around writing for the trades. I'd argue that TV is a much better format to showcase comics adaptations than a full length film just because of the similarities between comics and TV. My only qualm might be production value... but even there, hell, I've watched Smallville all these years.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Fri, 12 Mar 2010, 05:15
Hmm. Y'know, you raise a good point. Probably the first good point you've had in years.
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Quote from: thecolorsblend on Fri, 12 Mar 2010, 08:49
I'm going to revisit this. Irrespective of whether or not Nolan whacks Batman at the end Batman Concludes (and seriously, I wouldn't put it past him), I am happy that he's going to finish what he started with the first one. Is it "my Batman"? Hell no. But it's good for comics movies overall that this is happening.
Absolutely.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Fri, 12 Mar 2010, 09:54
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Fri, 12 Mar 2010, 05:15
Hmm. Y'know, you raise a good point. Probably the first good point you've had in years.
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There was supposed to be a smiley at the end of that. Dunno why it didn't appear...
i still say you can't kill batman. i like the bruce faking his death thing better than that.
Batman dying (fake or real, comics or movie) is retarded.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Fri, 12 Mar 2010, 23:07
Batman dying (fake or real, comics or movie) is retarded.
yes it is!
At the most, have his death implied but hint that he survived. Much like how the Joker 'dies' often. On one side, the street scum is jumping for joy, but on the other they are still nervous and uncertain.
The myth of Batman lives on, almost certain to return one day.
You could even put in a final scene much like Batman Returns, where we see Catwoman's shadow.
I think it would work.
If Batman is flat out dead and the body is on show, Gotham is lost forever and the villains win.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat, 13 Mar 2010, 02:24
At the most, have his death implied but hint that he survived. Much like how the Joker 'dies' often. On one side, the street scum is jumping for joy, but on the other they are still nervous and uncertain.
The myth of Batman lives on, almost certain to return one day.
You could even put in a final scene much like Batman Returns, where we see Catwoman's shadow.
I think it would work.
If Batman is flat out dead and the body is on show, Gotham is lost forever and the villains win.
Great suggestion Dark Knight. That could actually work. Certainly a better argument than 'Batman dying is retarded'... ::)
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Sat, 13 Mar 2010, 02:46
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat, 13 Mar 2010, 02:24
At the most, have his death implied but hint that he survived. Much like how the Joker 'dies' often. On one side, the street scum is jumping for joy, but on the other they are still nervous and uncertain.
The myth of Batman lives on, almost certain to return one day.
You could even put in a final scene much like Batman Returns, where we see Catwoman's shadow.
I think it would work.
If Batman is flat out dead and the body is on show, Gotham is lost forever and the villains win.
Great suggestion Dark Knight. That could actually work. Certainly a better argument than 'Batman dying is retarded'... ::)
bite me. it is retarded. its like tdk said, if they kill batman and everyone knows he's dead, the villains win and gotham goes down the sh*tter for good.
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Sat, 13 Mar 2010, 02:46Great suggestion Dark Knight. That could actually work. Certainly a better argument than 'Batman dying is retarded'... ::)
You're bagging on me for distilling everything TDK said into four words?
Batman dying is retarded.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Sat, 13 Mar 2010, 09:39
You're bagging on me for distilling everything TDK said into four words?
Batman dying is retarded.
No, not really. I just appreciate the fact that Dark Knight elaborated on why Batman dying on film would be a bad idea, and came up with a reasonably neat scenario that I could actually imagine Nolan and co using. Besides, even you stated that were Batman to die in Nolan's third film that would bring some finality to his series, and therefore allow another director to usher in their own take on the character without feeling beholden to what came before.
That doesn't make it any less idiotic. It simply opens the door for the anthology franchise I've been dreaming about since forever.
A bad idea is a bad idea, irrespective of whatever good it unintentionally brings about.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Sat, 13 Mar 2010, 20:35
That doesn't make it any less idiotic. It simply opens the door for the anthology franchise I've been dreaming about since forever.
A bad idea is a bad idea, irrespective of whatever good it unintentionally brings about.
Well, maybe that makes me an idiot then (please don't comment, especially you Catwoman ;)), but I don't think it's the worst idea in the world within the context of Nolan's series, which I appreciate you don't like Colors.
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Sat, 13 Mar 2010, 21:25Well, maybe that makes me an idiot then (please don't comment, especially you Catwoman ;)), but I don't think it's the worst idea in the world within the context of Nolan's series, which I appreciate you don't like Colors.
:-X