Despite the name, it doesn't appear as if this has anything to do with a DC galactic cross-over. Rather, it's another attempt to create a line of books like Marvel's successful Ultimate universe. Sounds pretty cool. I don't really keep up with the monthlies like I used to so it looks like it's up my alley. Alfred's look will take some getting used to though.
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I like it. Although, I'd love to know how the villains are going to be portrayed.
I really like the sound of it.
Batman/Bruce Wayne looks a bit like Bale in a Burton styled suit. I like it.
Alfred looks different, but I'm sure I'll get used to it.
Ah, finally the equivalent to Marvel's Ultimate line.
About time. :)
Hey look, Bruce's new butler is Sam Elliot!
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Hey look, Bruce's new butler is Sam Elliot!
Spot on! Maybe he could play Alfred in a new franchise, although if he's in the Royal Marines he might need to put on a British accent. Hmmm, pity Sean Connery's retired from acting.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu, 10 Dec 2009, 22:28
Hey look, Bruce's new butler is Sam Elliot!
Looks a bit like Sean Connery, too.
Wow. As I hurriedly looked at the pics, I thought Alfred is an aging Bruce Wayne.
I'll lay it all out there.
Geoff Johns is one of the most overrated writers in the comic book industry. It seems that every single character he writes has to have some kind of loss to be a hero. On paper, that might seem to make sense... but (before Johns) what was Barry's motivation to be the Flash? Who did Superman tragically lose that inspired him to put on (or keep on) the cape?
Frankly, loss and tragedy very much define Batman so Johns is more in his element. So maybe this is a good move.
Plus, Batman's been overdue for full, genuine reboot for quite some time now.
As to the format, I'm down with it... but honestly, even this feels like a concession on DC's part. The comics industry in general has become so focused and insular that newbie readers can't pick up a comic without understanding a lot of intricate details, parallel realities and, oh yeah, 15+ years of continuity!
Does DC make the sensible decision of resuming primarily self-contained storylines? I mean, that method only sold a few million Superman comics per month back in the 50's, 60's and 70's so heavens no, they've simply decided to skip the monthly comics format and go straight to the trades. In English business terms, I believe that's called "redundancy". In American business terms, we call it "downsized".
DC COMICS TO COMIC BOOK SHOPS: "YOU'RE OBSOLETE."
BE1 is symptomatic of something that's deeply wrong with the comics industry. It's the motherfu(king pink elephant in the room that nobody's talking about. Monthly comics aren't selling. And that's not strictly because of video games, iPods or global warming.
It's because people don't like feeling lost in a story by page 2.
Seriously, if you knew nothing at all about comics and picked up any issue of Infinite Crisis... holy crap!!
But that's a mega-crossover, right? Those aren't designed to be newbie-friendly, right?
Fair enough. Pick up any issue of Superman: World of New Krypton. Hell, pick up any issue of Detective Comics from the past six months.
Do you honestly think comics virgins stand a chance of following all that?
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Sat, 12 Dec 2009, 07:50
Do you honestly think comics virgins stand a chance of following all that?
No, I do not.
I think Batman: Earth One will be the entry point for many. It's going to be much more "user friendly" for newcomers. A linear path from the beginning with no headaches.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Sat, 12 Dec 2009, 07:50
I'll lay it all out there.
Geoff Johns is one of the most overrated writers in the comic book industry. It seems that every single character he writes has to have some kind of loss to be a hero. On paper, that might seem to make sense... but (before Johns) what was Barry's motivation to be the Flash? Who did Superman tragically lose that inspired him to put on (or keep on) the cape?
Frankly, loss and tragedy very much define Batman so Johns is more in his element. So maybe this is a good move.
Plus, Batman's been overdue for full, genuine reboot for quite some time now.
I agree that Johns is pretty overrated these days, but out of the writers who consistently put out numerous books a month for DC, I ultimately find myself enjoying a good amount of his work. Though it's pretty evident that he's become the "go to" guy on pretty much everything in the DCU. :o
QuoteAs to the format, I'm down with it... but honestly, even this feels like a concession on DC's part. The comics industry in general has become so focused and insular that newbie readers can't pick up a comic without understanding a lot of intricate details, parallel realities and, oh yeah, 15+ years of continuity!
Right. Also, in addition to all the above, the comics industry has become extremely un-friendly towards new readers with all of the mega events that have transpired during this decade. Sure, they are entertaining for those who have already been keeping up with all the continuity, but for those who want to get into reading comics, coming in right into a mega event like Infinite Crisis, Final Crisis, Blackest Night, Civil War, Secret Invasion, Dark Reign, ect ect would be especially trying and often, quite confusing. Especially in a time where mega event after mega event is seen as the norm, or each issue is simply a chapter in a much larger story. Which I personally don't find satisfying in the least bit. Especially after $2.99-$3.99 a pop.
QuoteDoes DC make the sensible decision of resuming primarily self-contained storylines? I mean, that method only sold a few million Superman comics per month back in the 50's, 60's and 70's so heavens no, they've simply decided to skip the monthly comics format and go straight to the trades. In English business terms, I believe that's called "redundancy". In American business terms, we call it "downsized".
DC COMICS TO COMIC BOOK SHOPS: "YOU'RE OBSOLETE."
If trade paperbacks sell, it is simply because they get into regular bookshops where people have easier access to them. If the trade paperbacks were better value they would sell even more. It's simple economics. Although I really hate when writers, both at DC and Marvel or any other comic book company, clearly 'write for the trade'. Which has increasingly become the case over the years.
QuoteBE1 is symptomatic of something that's deeply wrong with the comics industry. It's the motherfu(king pink elephant in the room that nobody's talking about. Monthly comics aren't selling. And that's not strictly because of video games, iPods or global warming.
It's because people don't like feeling lost in a story by page 2.
That and the cost as well. In the 1990s, superhero comics became glossier, and driven by art. The causes (the direct market, older readers, gimmick driven sales, the success of Image) are less important than the result: the price of each comic
increased. At the same time, Marvel was hell bent on squeezing more profit from each comic, so guess what? The prices rose even
further (especially in the period that led to Marvel's bankruptcy in 1996-97). Finally, after the bubble burst in 1993 sales plummeted, so unit costs further increased. So in short. comic prices increased much faster than inflation, and that no doubt hurt the industry. Personally, I think superheros are more popular now than they may have ever been. Due to the many adaptations in other mediums. Unfortunately, comic sales do not reflect this and actually are at historic lows.
QuoteDo you honestly think comics virgins stand a chance of following all that?
Of course not.
Just so I'm not accused about whining about the problem without producing any solutions, here's what I suggest to deal with this.
In the 70's, it was common for comics to be written similar to how a lot of TV shows are today. Many issues would stand alone but also tell an independent story. The newbie reader might not necessarily follow every single plot thread but they got 90% of the story. Remember the Laughing Fish? There was a larger story being told there but if you simply want a good Batman vs. Joker story, you can read most of the Laughing Fish without relying on any other source.
An individual comic back then might've sold in the millions.
The established way of telling a big story in, say, five "chunks" is demonstrably killing the industry. The editors should step back, rein the writers in and direct them to write more single issue/one shot stories with ongoing plot threads. That just might give the monthly comic format a few more years.
I think the crossovers like No Man's Land ("continued on Robin #27", "see what happens next in Gotham Lasses # 39") were the prime reason I stopped buying monthly comics a decade ago. I usually prefer one-shots with a beginning and an ending, and TPBs are the best way to enjoy some story arcs. I think I can survive if I don't know firsthand what happens in the current continuity.
Quote from: silenig on Mon, 14 Dec 2009, 19:32I think the crossovers like No Man's Land ("continued on Robin #27", "see what happens next in Gotham Lasses # 39") were the prime reason I stopped buying monthly comics a decade ago. I usually prefer one-shots with a beginning and an ending, and TPBs are the best way to enjoy some story arcs. I think I can survive if I don't know firsthand what happens in the current continuity.
I swear to recall an interview with Alan Grant where he basically spilled the beans on the Cataclysm/No Man's Land stuff. From memory, he said something along the lines of "it was the first story I'd been involved with [in the Batman titles] that was a crossover merely for the sake of being a crossover." He went on to say that the assistant editors were pretty much manipulating Denny O'Neil, who had lost a lot of control over the Batman comics. Basically, the inmates had taken over the asylum and were running a story that not many of the creators really believed in.
This followed an extended period where Batman, SOTB and TEC were each running with their own storylines. While there was continuity between books (Gordon announced he was running for mayor in, say, Batman and you'd sure nuff see his campaign signs in TEC; or Bullock had a heart attack in TEC and you'd see him in a coma in Batman; etc), they were mostly smaller subplots that didn't require the reader to follow all of the other books to get the basic thrust of what was going on. From memory, you had Doug Moench/uber-penciller Kelley Jones on Batman, Chuck Dixon/(mostly) Graham Nolan on TEC and, I think, Alan Grant/Barry Kitson on SOTB, all doing their own thing.
I've got a few problems with that overall era, but ya know what? The self-contained books (mostly) ROCKED! You just had to stick with one single title in order to follow that particular story.
As far as I can remember, it was the Cataclysm/NML BS that brought all of that to a close. For my money, the books were never the same after that.
EDIT- And just so's we're clear, I'm just relating what I remember from Grant's interview. He was grinding an axe there and he may not have had the full picture. Maybe O'Neil had just creatively run out of juice and the assistant editors encouraged him to run a crossover since, hell, maybe it was time to do another one. And then as they got into the story, the assistant went more and more nuts with extending it, making sub-storylines, etc. Basically, all things that O'Neil would've reined in had he been on top of his game. There could be another side to this, I'm just trying to repeat what Alan said.
Bumping this now that it's out.
Anyone read this yet? I'm curious what people on this board think before I buy and read it. I haven't read Superman: Earth One, but the sample pages I've read shows me that there's a lot more new and reimagined ideas here than Johns and Frank's previous origin collaboration, Superman Secret Origin.
I think you'll like it, BatmAngelus. I know I did.
It's got one of the most detailed retellings of the night the Waynes were killed; one that acknowledges what's come before (hints of a conspiracy similar to the Lew Moxon story from Detective Comics #235 and The Untold Legend of the Batman) but also adds some new elements to the mix.
It places a big emphasis on Alfred's role in Batman's origin, probably more so than any previous version of the story. And the depiction of Alfred is a radical departure from everything that's come before. You can tell that just by looking at the character design. All in all, I prefer the more traditional take on the character. But it was interesting to see such a fresh interpretation.
I was struck by how many of the characters in the book resembled movie stars, almost as though they deliberately cast actors in the roles as visual templates.
Bruce Wayne=a young Mel Gibson
Alfred Pennyworth=Sam Elliot
Thomas Wayne=Paul Newman
Oswald Cobblepot=Joe Pesci
It's worth checking out. I know some people on this site don't like Geoff Johns, but he's become one of my favourite comic writers over the past few years. And he didn't let me down with Batman: Earth One. It's not my favourite version of Batman's origin, but it is a refreshingly new and entertaining variation.
I was actually hoping they'd come up with something like this in the mainstream canon as part of the new 52 reboot, but they didn't bother.
I've got mixed feelings. I like that we finally have a Batman with an immaculate entry point. It's been decades since there's been a clear, clean starting point for the character. For that alone, I give points.
Johns gave Martha Wayne an interesting family background. It's so cool I'm surprised nobody had ever thought of it until now. I give more points for this.
Johns shows us a Batman who basically has no idea what he's doing at first and, frankly, I've got issues with that. I get the idea that all or most of Bruce's training has come from Alfred. You didn't get much globetrotting here. As a result, his skills and his methods are woefully incomplete. This kinda bothers me. Of all people, Bruce knows what he'll be dealing with out there. I can't imagine he would rush off half-cocked like that. Sure, in BY1, he wasn't quite ready for prime time at first, but that was more how to do the job; he had the skills, he just needed practice. Here? He's just way too unprepared.
The stuff with Cobblepot... I'm of two minds about it. I'll need to read the book a couple more times before I finalize an opinion on the matter.
It's a good book and I recommend it to all. I just happen to think Superman- Earth One #1 is the better of the two.
I'm finally reading this now.
Some great thoughts here to bear in mind as I read it.
thecolorsblend is back! How are you, man?!
Cool thoughts on the comic, guys. I'll definitely check it out.
Alfred took a little while to get used to, but I do have to echo how refreshing it was to see the Wayne back story re-emerge.
I loved the material with Cobblepot. After a few failed runs at Mayor in various mediums, it was nice to see him get into office. I'm a bit on the fence as to how his character ended, but over all I thought it was impressive storytelling. As somebody who is not all that jazzed by the soft-reboot New 52 Universe, it was a pleasure reading a self-contained story. :)
As I mentioned elsewhere, I enjoyed the heck out of this book. I really had no problems with Bruce being, frankly, incompetent at the beginning of his career, as it's much more believable than the uberman he's typically portrayed. I really liked his initial reasoning for becoming Batman, and this new take on Alfred as well. If they ever decide to give us a new full blown film origin for Batman, this would not be a bad place to start at all.
I read it today.
Not too long ago in the thread i created about where to go with the next film I pondered whether or not a true film based on year one would be logical. Definitely after reading this, I think this one should be the route they go if another origin reboot is required.
I know it's somewhat controversial that action stories get told on a non-linear manner; meaning non-chronological, the time line jumps forwards and backwards. But i think it can work. Sometimes it's only done as a way for the writers to cheat; get action in earlier in the story to help the pace. But in cases such as this one it's to tell parallel stories. It doesn't spend a long time on the initial waynes murder from what we know but it does add to his guilt; instead of Bruce blaming himself because they went to go see his film, he actually was kind of acting like a brat running off, leading his parents to the murder.
It's very obvious that year one was used as an inspiration but there's quite the departure; bruce is sloppy and lucious fox is added to the mix. Because of this there's no batmobile yet. I felt it did honour both previous series; the fox character as well as the Penguins mayor aspirations. As well the ending which I wont spoil did have shades of batman forever.
Anyone know if the plan is to continue this or is it basically a one shot?
They definitely intended to produce more books in the DC: Earth One line. But I suspect DC's gotten sidetracked with the whole New 52 thing. So I wouldn't hold my breath on a sequel coming out any time soon.
No sequel but apparently a prequel is coming; year zero. Might be interesting but kind of sucks because it means there wont be batman.
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No sequel but apparently a prequel is coming; year zero. Might be interesting but kind of sucks because it means there wont be batman.
Actually, there are plans to release a Volume 2 for this year after all:
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Gary Frank Confirms "Batman: Earth One" Vol. 2 For 2013
Mon, November 19th, 2012 at 2:45pm PST
Comic Books
Steve Sunu, Staff Writer/Reviews Editor
Geoff Johns and Gary Frank have a second volume of "Batman: Earth One" in the works for 2013.
This year, DC Comics launched its long-awaited "Batman: Earth One" graphic novel by Chief Creative Officer Geoff Johns and fan-favorite artist Gary Frank. The original graphic novel detailed the very beginnings of the Caped Crusader, and it should come as no surprise that Johns and Frank plan to reunite for a second volume to continue the adventures of a fledgling Batman. While in conversation on Twitter, Johns tweeted "Batman: Earth One" was one of Barnes & Noble's "Best Quirky, Beautiful, Different Books of 2012," tagging Frank in the post.
"Honored 'Batman: Earth One' by me and the amazing [Gary Frank] was chose as one of Barnes & Noble's best of 2012!" Johns said via Twitter.
Frank's reply to Johns was at first coy about a second volume, seeming to indicate there wouldn't be one.
"It's just a shame that there won't be a Vol. 2...." Frank tweeted, before continuing, "...until next year!!!" Frank further elaborated, stating Johns is "cooking up a great chapter 2."
The second volume of "Batman: Earth One" would match the franchise in volumes with J. Michael Straczynski and Shane Davis' "Superman: Earth One," the second volume of which released this month.
"Batman: Earth One Volume 2" is set for release 2013.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=42275 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=42275)
I enjoyed Earth One, it had that grit and feel like it could be adapted into a movie. The only complaint I have about it is the creepy use of using children as murder victims.
I still got a laugh at Batman's failure at the start of the book though.
QuoteNo sequel but apparently a prequel is coming; year zero. Might be interesting but kind of sucks because it means there wont be batman.
Actually that's gonna be the new New 52 Batman origin. Not related to the Earth One continuity.
^ Oh dear. I find all of this stuff messy. Which is why I tend to give continuity a miss for the most part and focus on individual stories. At the end of the day all stories can be contained to a core, contained narrative. Like - the Penguin wants to rig an election and Batman has to stop his plot. If another story is about Joker trying to poison a water supply but it doesn't match up with that 'world', I'm not really bothered.
The sequel to Earth One has a front cover, but the book itself won't be released till next year.
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Given that this front cover superimposes four different faces together, I assume one is Alfred, the other Gordon, and the other two...don't know. Let's not forget that Riddler was revealed by the end of the first book, so I guess he'll be here. The third face on the cover kinda looks mutated, like Killer Croc I guess. The female face on the left could be Barbara Gordon.
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Off-topic - front cover for Superman: Earth One Vol. 3 has been released too.
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I thought it would be the riddler as the main villain but still I'm excited for this. I have vol 1 as my collection and in a way I kind of enjoy it more than year one.
I got my copy of this comic and finished reading it a couple of days ago.
I thought it was rather average, despite having its moments.
***MASSIVE SPOILERS (AS WELL AS EXTREMELY LONG POST) DOWN BELOW***QuoteIt takes place six months after the events of Volume 1. Batman investigates a series of bombings occurring in Gotham, where people are set up into riddle-themed death traps. The newly elected Mayor Jessica Dent, together with her brother DA Harvey, sought to continue cleaning up the corruption in Gotham, but they discover that five anonymous city officials have taken over the late Oswald Cobblepot's criminal operations. Jessica seeks out to Bruce and confides to him about what she knows, and demands him to become more involved with taking an interest in society's well-being like his parents did. Despite initially refusing, Bruce agrees to do his best to help.
As the Riddler slowly makes his mark - literally - with each bombing, Batman seeks Gordon and the two work each other to learn of the perp's MO. Batman eventually tracks down the Riddler's hideout into the sewers thanks to Killer Croc (!). The Riddler immediately forces Batman to track down an train passing by underground to solve his latest riddle. Despite Batman solving the riddle correctly, Riddler blows up the train anyway. Batman survives the explosion, outraged that the Riddler murdered people on a whim. Batman deduces that the Riddler's MO is a gimmick to cover up the real motive for his crimes, and he and Gordon figure out that the Riddler himself is one of the five people involved in taking over Cobblepot's criminal empire were killed in each bombing; hoping to eliminate the competition for himself.
Later on, the Riddler came up with an elaborate plot to frame Bruce for being the Riddler, and he and Alfred end up in jail. Then, the Riddler takes control of Gotham PD and releases all the prisoners via remote control as he has explosives rigged to the whole precinct. Bruce conveniently turns into Batman, and stops the Riddler in time with some help from Killer Croc, but Harvey Dent is murdered by Sal Maroni (!), and Jessica gets herself disfigured in the heat of the moment. With the Riddler in custody, Bruce realizes that he can be a symbol as the public personality and as Batman, and Killer Croc is secretly given a place to stay at Wayne Manor to help build the Batcave. Jessica is implied to become Two-Face and a woman who Batman encountered earlier on in the story is revealed to be Catwoman, who becomes obsessed over him.
I'll start with what I liked about this book. I liked how the story emphasised that it was a sequel to the previous story, as people became more dubious that Batman was responsible for killing the Penguin since he is known for not using guns. I just like how we get an idea of what people think of Batman. I think this book does a good job that explains why Batman doesn't like to kill, nor does he want to see anyone else get killed. While saving a crook during the heat of combat in the beginning, Alfred argues to Batman that shouldn't go out of his way to save everybody, and even insists he should become more lethal. But Batman refuses to listen to Alfred's advice; explaining that even criminal scum have family and children and the last thing he wants is kids growing up believing that Batman is responsible for murdering their parents. I like this explanation a lot. It makes much more sense than trying to justify Batman having a moral code because he's trying to follow the footsteps of his father saving lives as a doctor, or whatever misguided rubbish that writers come up with nowadays. Bruce may not care for the criminal scum, but that doesn't mean he wants their families to experience the same loss as he did, and he certainly wouldn't anybody else to repeat that desire of revenge like he did. Batman intends to save lives, not ruin them. If Batman really needed to be written as somebody with a code against killing, I'm content with this.
Batman's relationship with Gordon further develops. My only issue is that Bats still lacks skills in detective work e.g. he steps on evidence in one of the Riddler's crime scenes, to which Gordon quipped "you're not much of a detective, are you". Made me cringe a bit, but Gordon becomes convinced in Batman's potential when the latter figures out the Riddler's true motives following the third mass bombing. Gordon is a confidant to Batman during the Riddler case, and the two work just as well as in any other comic in that regard.
I like Gordon's partnership with Bullock, who has slowly gone over the deep end since he saw the Birthday Boy's horrific crime scene in the last book. Gordon still looks out for Bullock, feeling he owes him for inspiring to fight back against the corruption in Gotham, despite Bullock becoming increasingly irresponsible as time passes by. You can feel Bullock's dejection in the end, as his struggle with alcoholism and depression contrasts to Gordon getting promoted as Captain.
In case you haven't fully comprehended it, yes - Killer Croc is not the cannibal monster like he normally is. Instead, he's a good-natured outcast who looks to hide under the sewers after society had discriminated against him for many years because of his abnormal skin disorder. While I don't care for the characterization that much, it paints Batman positively that he doesn't judge Croc, and his compassion ultimately earns Croc's loyalty in the end. It's a good step for Bruce's aspirations in becoming a symbol in Gotham.
Now here are things what I don't like. The Riddler in this comic is nothing more than a generic psychopath. His crimes are based on riddles, yes, but he's not obsessed about them. Nor he is to be the egotistical, amusingly obsessive compulsive villain we see in other media. And he has a question mark tattooed around his left eye. Lame.
Harvey Dent is actually a douchebag in this. He openly resents Bruce because he believes he has taken after the craziness from his mother's side of the family. Don't expect his characterization to be as rich as in BTAS or in The Eye of the Beholder, so I wasn't too unhappy when he was killed for that twist. As for his sister Jessica? I don't mind her I guess, in fact, I kind of like the idea of a female character who initially looks like a damsel in distress but instead ends up potentially becoming one of Batman's biggest villains in the future. As her face touches Harvey's when he dies, she seemingly inherits his own personality, as she threatens Bruce in her brother's voice and words in a hospital towards the end of the story.
Lucius Fox is not given anything to do at all, and the whole scene with him asking his staff to build a new car (hinted to be the Batmobile to the unsuspecting workers) is a waste of time. Now while I kind of like how Alfred and Bruce don't see eye to eye on how certain methods and beliefs, the butler here is quite an idiot this time around. It's not that he's paranoid over Bruce seeking other allies that could expose his identity that's the problem, it's just that Alfred jumps the gun and attacks the entire police when they arrive at the Manor as the Riddler has tricked everybody into thinking that Bruce Wayne is responsible for the mass bombings.
If I had to give a grade to this comic, I'd have to give it a C at best. It's not worthless, but don't go expecting it to be the next Long Halloween, Year One, Killing Joke or Eye of the Beholder. So far in the Earth One universe, the only real standout for me is Superman: EO Vol. 1. I remember liking Batman: EO Vol. 1 too, but I really disliked the use of using little girls as murder victims in that book. Mass murder is always a morbid subject, but using children as victims like that is just so gross and I can't blame anyone for condemning that book because of that.
Finally got around to reading this today. I actually really enjoyed it, a lot more than volume one. It had more spunk, and it's made me reconsider the series as a whole.
The story is quite engaging, and I think the villain choices help. The Riddler pulls a series of crimes in Gotham, and he later encounters Batman. Batman solves the riddle but Edward blows up a train anyway. Between this and the Arkham games, I'd love for this type of Riddler to appear in a solo movie. He's clever and cruel, and it lends the story with a sense of drama and tension. I liked how he was handled.
Killer Croc appears in a very sympathetic manner, and I liked his portrayal overall. It makes sense for someone with a rare skin disease to behave in this way. Hiding away from a judgmental society in the sewers, lashing out at whoever encroaches on his space. But is willing to live and let live - if said person doesn't have hostile intentions.
I think Earth One's charm lies in a few areas. One is the military style Alfred. Two is the young Batman who is learning on the job. And three is the deviations form the established norm, such as key characters being killed. I also like the artwork, which lends the comic a degree of realism. Earth One isn't the top of the tree when it comes to Batman comics, but it's a universe I'm warming to. I hope they get volume three completed sooner rather than later, because the tease at the end of volume two was great.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 31 Jul 2016, 10:48Finally got around to reading this today. I actually really enjoyed it, a lot more than volume one. It had more spunk, and it's made me reconsider the series as a whole.
I read it with minimal expectations. It's better than vol. 1, I'll give it that. But then, the bar was already set pretty low to begin with.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 31 Jul 2016, 10:48The Riddler pulls a series of crimes in Gotham, and he later encounters Batman. Batman solves the riddle but Edward blows up a train anyway.
I dug that moment. Up to then, the Riddler was a sort of Jigsaw type of figure in my mind. Blowing up the train even though Batman solved the riddle showed that the Riddler was on a personal vendetta of some kind. His choices truly weren't random and he wasn't actually interested in giving his victims a fair chance. He wanted to prove he was smarter than them but he always intended to kill them.
Chuck Dixon portrayed the Riddler in on the Year One annuals from 1995 as a performance art criminal. I prefer that approach. But the Riddler as a pseudo-Jigsaw character works too.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 31 Jul 2016, 10:48Killer Croc appears in a very sympathetic manner, and I liked his portrayal overall. It makes sense for someone with a rare skin disease to behave in this way. Hiding away from a judgmental society in the sewers, lashing out at whoever encroaches on his space. But is willing to live and let live - if said person doesn't have hostile intentions.
Ditto. I like the idea of rethinking these characters. Killer Croc as a halfway ally (or at least not an outright enemy) plays for me.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 31 Jul 2016, 10:48Two is the young Batman who is learning on the job.
I like this Batman finding some direction. He intended to take his parents killer down. That was his original mission. Having accomplished that, he found reasons to extend his mission further, which he hadn't originally planned on so now he has to study and become more than he originally intended. I like that.
The mainstream comics would do Year One stories but I'm at a loss to think of very many occasions when Batman was shown to be a real
ROOKIE and not really knowing how to
BE this.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sun, 31 Jul 2016, 10:48I hope they get volume three completed sooner rather than later, because the tease at the end of volume two was great.
Good luck with that. Gary Frankenstein is notoriously late with his work.
Generally, I haven't followed the entire Earth One line; only Superman and Batman. I have some reservations with both of them, tbh. But what I dig about both of them is how JMS and Johns are in no rush to move straight into either character's established status quo. They're playing with the mythos a tiny bit but mostly they're screwing around with the conventional status quo.
Lois Lane isn't even on Clark's radar as a love interest in E1. The batsignal isn't lighting up Gotham's skies in E1. Both writers are taking their jolly sweet time and I value that.
Yeah, I agree with all that. Earth One Batman and his world seems grounded but without being realistic. He's similar to Daniel Craig's Bond is some ways. He's mainly a head kicker who doesn't have much finesse just yet. For example, taking too much time with a lock pick, tossing away the tools and simply kicking the door open. I think that's part of the appeal. This Batman is always learning and evolving, and we'll probably never see the final product. The Earth One lines are not about the status quo. Far from it. They're postmodern twists on an established formula. Deviations which provoke and excite in equal measure.
I FINALLY got around to reading this. You guys mostly summed up my thoughts but here's what stands out to me;
-the theme of Batman being sloppy starting out continues here. The first novel featured a sloppy Batman who learns to fight from Alfred, this time around he learns his detective skills from Gordon.
-I get that this is a different interpretation of the characters but I just wasn't a huge fan of the way the riddler was portrayed. His motives and framing Bruce were good, I felt they got about 75% of the character right but the big aspect I thought was missing was his OCD which causes him to get into his own way. Usually the riddler is responsible for his own demise but this time it was mostly Killer Croc. I question the choice of villain as a weak detective doesn't match up well against a villain who is all brains and little braun
-Killer Croc was portrayed in a manner in which I hadn't seen him much- as an anti-hero working with Batman. I liked the tragic treatment he got in this book.
-I wasn't a big fan of the portrayal of Harvey Dent, I thought he was a little too dark and evil. Once you read the character arc though it kind of makes sense. A female two face could be interesting, especially if the face rubbing is meant to imply that Jessica absorbs part of her brothers evil personality, thus causing the split personality
Overall I found it better than the first book. I doubt this series becomes canon given the departures of the source material but it serves well as an alternate reality/origin
This was on sale, so I picked it up. I dunno, I'm just not a huge fan of the E1 series. It's not bad, but it just not my thing. The art is fantastic, though.
-The Riddler was ok, but he just seemed a bit too much like a regular terrorist to really interest me. Kinda reminds me of Ledger's Joker. Just a bit too bland for my taste.
-Croc was cool at first, but a bit of a let down that he becomes more of a sidekick. He was full on Croc, and then out of nowhere, he's just like, "leave me alone", and then a few seconds later, he's Batman's sidekick. Eh, whatever.
-Batman is a bit weak here. I get that it's his rookie years, but he's not smart enough to build most of his tech, he's not even a good detective(let alone the world's greatest detective), and he gets his ass kicked with whoever he fights. He's constantly just a body shield, and has to whimper off all bloody or dazed.
-They kill off Harvey, and make his twin sister the new Two-Face. We'll see if they actually explore this. I'm not really diggin the idea, but if could be interesting. But we'll see, as I'm not really enjoying this universe, so far.
-Alfred is similar to what we saw in Vol 1, so he's ok. Don't hate him, but I don't love him.
-Gordon is probably my favorite character in this universe. He was down and out in Vol 1, but he's really picked things up in Vol 2. I actually chuckled when Batman gave him the "Batsignal"(cellphone), and Gordon goes, "he even put a Bat on it". I thought that was funny.
Overall, it's nothing groundbreaking or extraordinary. It almost feels like this is an amalgamation Year One, Nolan's trilogy, and The Telltale series. If they ever do a Vol 3, I'll probably check it out, but just like this, I'll wait for it to go on sale before I pick it up. I'm in no rush for this series.
Gary Frank tweeted an update late last year to confirm that Vol. 3 is in the works, and uploaded this rough sketch of what appears to be Batman interrogating somebody.
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Source: https://twitter.com/1moreGaryFrank/status/946811316534210566
Let's see if Catwoman has any involvement, seeing as how she appeared at the end of the last book.
Quote from: Travesty on Sat, 3 Feb 2018, 06:31
It almost feels like this is an amalgamation Year One, Nolan's trilogy, and The Telltale series.
That's a fair comparison. I personally like the mix and find enjoyment in the canon deviations, just like the Telltale games. There's a gritty/raw atmosphere these two properties share that hooks me in - we generally expect the unexpected.
I haven't read Volume Two since I posted my review here in 2016, but I'm still a fan. I'm looking forward to Volume Three. I'm positive Catwoman will be used. Volume One's last panel had the Riddler, who appeared in the sequel.
Finally a release date for Volume 3: June 8, 2021.
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https://www.amazon.com/dp/1401259049
Based on the cover art, I'm inclined to believe he'll start using a batcave, which is a significant character growth keeping with this slow and steady early days vibe.
My most anticipated book for next year. Even if this is it for Earth One Batman, we'll have a trilogy.
Found this striking art preview that matches the front cover aesthetic:
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Special event titles like this and Three Jokers deliver visually, and narratively they're a free hit to be bold and thus influence the overall brand by being seperate from main continuity. After ZSJL, this is my main 2021 Batman jam.
His suit already looks more advanced, even from what little we can see. Or maybe he's just bigger?
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 18 Nov 2020, 12:08
Finally a release date for Volume 3: June 8, 2021.
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https://www.amazon.com/dp/1401259049
Based on the cover art, I'm inclined to believe he'll start using a batcave, which is a significant character growth keeping with this slow and steady early days vibe.
My most anticipated book for next year. Even if this is it for Earth One Batman, we'll have a trilogy.
According to Amazon, this is a Johns/Frank joint. But I find it interesting that the covert art does not show the creators' names. Very strange.
Quote from: Travesty on Tue, 16 Feb 2021, 13:58
His suit already looks more advanced, even from what little we can see. Or maybe he's just bigger?
Perhaps a bit of both.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Tue, 16 Feb 2021, 12:57
After ZSJL, this is my main 2021 Batman jam.
How quickly things change. Volume 3 has dropped down a rung now, but I'm still eager to read it.
I've read the story and it gave me what I wanted from this universe.
The art is excellent.
It doubles down on Croc being an ally, providing a nice dynamic with Alfred.
Two-Face is Harvey's sister, which is what I wanted.
It further explores the Telltale games concept of a murky Wayne family.
The batcave is an abandoned subway station, as 2022's The Batman seems to be.
Catwoman's costume is makeshift in execution.
Clayface is revealed as being one of the characters in disguise.
Sets up a fourth volume with Joker after he kills The Toyman and The Flying Graysons.
Dick Grayson is shown grieving. He is black ala the Marlon Wayans Robin.
It shows Batman's dream of forming The Outsiders and being based in the batcave.
A muscle car similar to Pattinson's is visible.
The freakouts following these comics seem pointless to me when the whole point is twisting the traditional with shock factor revelations and emotion. I'm not sure where I'd rank it against the other two, but at the very least it blends in with them. It really blows up this universe's balloon by the time the book concludes. If it wasn't for that big villain tease at the end, it could've very well served as a concluding chapter.
If you have an open mind and accept this line for what it is, you should find value.
I didn't even know this was out? I have to re-read 1&2 before I read 3. It's been a few years.
I just finished reading Volume 3. SPOILERS ahoy for anyone who hasn't read it yet.
I really like Johns' fresh take on Killer Croc. For the past few decades Croc has been relegated to the role of bruiser/henchman villain, so it's nice to see a writer finally approach the character from a different angle. A lot of people tend to forget that the Pre-Crisis Man-Bat was a member of the Batman Family (literally making regular appearances in the Batman Family Vol 1 comic), and was sometimes shown hanging out in the Batcave and assisting Bruce and his allies. Johns' version of Killer Croc is strongly redolent of those old comics, presenting us with the most interesting and sensitive portrayal of Waylon Jones in a long time.
Johns also delivers a creative new interpretation of the Two-Face concept. It's not one that I'd necessarily want to see replace the more traditional version in the mainstream canon, but it offers an inventive new twist on a familiar villain and I enjoyed seeing how it played out in this particular story. I liked how they managed to merge all the male versions of Clayface into a single gestalt. That was well done. It's also funny, and slightly sad, seeing Bullock gradually drinking himself into the bloated and embittered wreck we know from more conventional portrayals.
On the negative side, I'm not mad on Catwoman's costume. I'm hoping it's just a prototype before she gets something better. I also thought it was a bit weird how quickly Batman trusted her, even to the extent of introducing her to Alfred. Waylon had already earned Bruce's trust before being brought in on his operation, but Catwoman hadn't (yes, Selina helped him, but she also deceived him back in Volume 2, repeatedly demonstrated herself to be a thief, and only agreed to assist him in Volume 3 in exchange for money). I also thought Two-Face's master plan was a bit weak, but I'm willing to overlook that since this was less of a plot-driven narrative than a character-driven piece, and on that score it worked well enough for me. One thing that was never really addressed was the security issue resulting from Dent and Clayface both knowing Batman's true identity. Presumably this is a plot point that will be revisited in Volume 4.
Overall, this series is shaping up to be what the New 52 Batman
ought to have been – a hard reboot that isn't afraid to deviate from the established canon in favour of breaking new ground and forging its own distinct identity. While I appreciate Frank Miller's Year One as a prologue to the vastly superior Long Halloween/Dark Victory series, I've never shared the love or reverence towards it that many fans feel. I've always thought it was overrated. That reverence for Year One might have deterred other writers from revisiting Batman's origins (with a few notable exceptions, such as Zero Year), and I think the sort of revised origin Johns and Frank have created here is long overdue.
Bring on Volume 4. The setup at the end seemed a little rushed – we see one panel depicting Dick grieving the death of his parents, which wasn't actually shown in the story, and then the next time we see him he's in costume along with the rest of the Outsiders – but hopefully the fourth volume will go back and revisit the events surrounding Robin's origin in more depth. Likewise for the Joker's debut. I think the final few pages of Volume 3 were intended more as a teaser than anything else, and Volume 4 will likely go back in time and flesh things out.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 9 Jun 2021, 02:54The freakouts following these comics seem pointless to me when the whole point is twisting the traditional with shock factor revelations and emotion. I'm not sure where I'd rank it against the other two, but at the very least it blends in with them. It really blows up this universe's balloon by the time the book concludes. If it wasn't for that big villain tease at the end, it could've very well served as a concluding chapter.
If you have an open mind and accept this line for what it is, you should find value.
There's no point retelling these stories if they're going to be handled in exactly the same way each time. I don't necessarily want such deviations to be made canonical in all future comics, but as someone who was raised on Elseworlds stories in the nineties I'm happy to see them implemented in one-off re-tellings.
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sun, 20 Jun 2021, 20:26
I really like Johns' fresh take on Killer Croc. For the past few decades Croc has been relegated to the role of bruiser/henchman villain, so it's nice to see a writer finally approach the character from a different angle. A lot of people tend to forget that the Pre-Crisis Man-Bat was a member of the Batman Family (literally making regular appearances in the Batman Family Vol 1 comic), and was sometimes shown hanging out in the Batcave and assisting Bruce and his allies. Johns' version of Killer Croc is strongly redolent of those old comics, presenting us with the most interesting and sensitive portrayal of Waylon Jones in a long time.
I see it as the culmination of the dream both characters share, which is attaining a level of understanding from society. It makes sense for that to come from likeminded people, in this instance fellow outsiders. Would I want that dynamic to be replicated across the mainstream mythology? No. But I still like it.
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sun, 20 Jun 2021, 20:26
On the negative side, I'm not mad on Catwoman's costume. I'm hoping it's just a prototype before she gets something better.
The costume received a lot of negative feedback but it's not something the comic shied away from. Her reveal panel is loud and proud, wholeheartedly embracing the design. This aesthetic goes for something more makeshift. While it's not my favorite Catwoman look either, getting the same old thing again in an Elseworld comic would've been the bigger letdown.
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sun, 20 Jun 2021, 20:26
I also thought it was a bit weird how quickly Batman trusted her, even to the extent of introducing her to Alfred. Waylon had already earned Bruce's trust before being brought in on his operation, but Catwoman hadn't (yes, Selina helped him, but she also deceived him back in Volume 2, repeatedly demonstrated herself to be a thief, and only agreed to assist him in Volume 3 in exchange for money).
On a surface level I felt like it was alluding to Selina's prior depictions as a 'working girl'. That's what motivates her. Bruce has plenty of money, so if she screws him over he's going to be disappointed but not really losing anything. The need for him to use money will decrease to nothing as their connection strengthens.
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sun, 20 Jun 2021, 20:26
I also thought Two-Face's master plan was a bit weak, but I'm willing to overlook that since this was less of a plot-driven narrative than a character-driven piece, and on that score it worked well enough for me.
When I saw Dent's scarred face in the car I was disappointed. When I found out the proper context of that I was relieved. The real thematic meat for me concerned Bruce's family.
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sun, 20 Jun 2021, 20:26
One thing that was never really addressed was the security issue resulting from Dent and Clayface both knowing Batman's true identity. Presumably this is a plot point that will be revisited in Volume 4.
The last we see Clayface he's not talking, and Gordon says "he's probably forgotten who he really is." I doubt that. On the other hand Dent's sister is rescued but she's a raving loon. There's definitely scope to expand upon this, particularly with Clayface.
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sun, 20 Jun 2021, 20:26
Overall, this series is shaping up to be what the New 52 Batman ought to have been – a hard reboot that isn't afraid to deviate from the established canon in favour of breaking new ground and forging its own distinct identity. While I appreciate Frank Miller's Year One as a prologue to the vastly superior Long Halloween/Dark Victory series, I've never shared the love or reverence towards it that many fans feel. I've always thought it was overrated. That reverence for Year One might have deterred other writers from revisiting Batman's origins (with a few notable exceptions, such as Zero Year), and I think the sort of revised origin Johns and Frank have created here is long overdue.
I'm a big fan of the Scott Snyder run. After that there's been diminishing returns. I think I'm okay with the placement of Earth One in the canon, though. It exists but it's off to to the side. The only thing that I would improve is the release schedule, which is pointless to rage about because it's not changing.
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Sun, 20 Jun 2021, 20:26
Bring on Volume 4. The setup at the end seemed a little rushed – we see one panel depicting Dick grieving the death of his parents, which wasn't actually shown in the story, and then the next time we see him he's in costume along with the rest of the Outsiders – but hopefully the fourth volume will go back and revisit the events surrounding Robin's origin in more depth. Likewise for the Joker's debut. I think the final few pages of Volume 3 were intended more as a teaser than anything else, and Volume 4 will likely go back in time and flesh things out.
I think they can get away with Joker simply arriving in Gotham starting trouble, but Robin and other crimefighters need elaboration. I'd be comfortable with Joker killing Ragman and crippling Batgirl in a fourth volume.
I just got done with Vol 1 last night, and got about a 1/3 of the way through Vol 2. I totally forgot the storyline to this. I remember the very beginning to Vol 1, but I just kinda forgot most of the plot.
You can see clear inspirations from Matt Reeves here. Not only the practicality of the suit, but the "vengeance" line.
Anyways, I'll come back when I'm done with Vol 3.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 23 Jun 2021, 00:58I think they can get away with Joker simply arriving in Gotham starting trouble, but Robin and other crimefighters need elaboration. I'd be comfortable with Joker killing Ragman and crippling Batgirl in a fourth volume.
I never liked the plot point about Barbara being paralysed, some I'm hoping Johns will handle it differently in this universe. It might be interesting to have him reference that scene, but give it a different outcome. Maybe Babs opens the door and sees the Joker standing there with the gun, but manages to react quickly enough to slam it shut before he fires off a shot. This buys Gordon enough time to grab his own gun and defend himself against the Joker's goons as they break down the door. Something like that would put a fresh spin on the iconic scene.
Quote from: Travesty on Wed, 23 Jun 2021, 16:10You can see clear inspirations from Matt Reeves here. Not only the practicality of the suit, but the "vengeance" line.
The moment in the trailer where Battinson is in the police station also looks as though it might have been influenced by a scene from the end of Volume 2. Johns' writing has significantly impacted the recent cinematic portrayals of Superman, Aquaman and the Flash, so it's going to be interesting seeing how much his work influences Reeves' Batman as well.
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Mon, 28 Jun 2021, 13:41
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 23 Jun 2021, 00:58I think they can get away with Joker simply arriving in Gotham starting trouble, but Robin and other crimefighters need elaboration. I'd be comfortable with Joker killing Ragman and crippling Batgirl in a fourth volume.
I never liked the plot point about Barbara being paralysed, some I'm hoping Johns will handle it differently in this universe. It might be interesting to have him reference that scene, but give it a different outcome. Maybe Babs opens the door and sees the Joker standing there with the gun, but manages to react quickly enough to slam it shut before he fires off a shot. This buys Gordon enough time to grab his own gun and defend himself against the Joker's goons as they break down the door. Something like that would put a fresh spin on the iconic scene.
There's a good number of allies standing on that page in the batcave. The Joker dwindling the number of them is a quick way to get Batman's attention and hinder his crimefighting goals. That's my primary reason for mentioning violence against them, because they are a big development in this universe and should be the focus of a fourth volume. Having Joker kill Toyman was a simple but logical way to merge the worlds of Metropolis and Gotham, and it shows nobody is off limits.
I got done with it. It was alright. I thought the "twist" was one of he most predictable things, as they alluded to it hardcore in Vol 2.
The art was fantastic, and the setup for Joker in Vol 4 looks great, but we'll just have to see if we even get to a new Vol. For some reason, I thought they said this was he last one they're going for Earth One...or maybe I'm getting it mixed up with something else?
Quote from: Travesty on Wed, 30 Jun 2021, 14:22
I got done with it. It was alright. I thought the "twist" was one of he most predictable things, as they alluded to it hardcore in Vol 2.
The art was fantastic, and the setup for Joker in Vol 4 looks great, but we'll just have to see if we even get to a new Vol. For some reason, I thought they said this was he last one they're going for Earth One...or maybe I'm getting it mixed up with something else?
It makes sense. Earth One attracted fans and curious parties. Sales were up so it makes sense that DC would want to kill it. Very logical.
Srsly tho, Earth One was DiDio's cause. Now that he's out of the picture, I don't think there's anyone left to be a cheerleader for the imprint anymore. Shame. The Superman volumes were pretty good. I had problems with some aspects of Superman vol. 03. But otherwise, pretty enjoyable.
Yeah, I have Superman and Green Lantern Earth One, but haven't gotten to them yet.
I heard Superman was terrible. So I guess I've heard mixed things? Maybe I'll get to that next....
Quote from: Travesty on Wed, 30 Jun 2021, 14:58
Yeah, I have Superman and Green Lantern Earth One, but haven't gotten to them yet.
I heard Superman was terrible. So I guess I've heard mixed things? Maybe I'll get to that next....
It's only rly volume 3 that bugged me. If you enjoy Snyder's Man Of Steel, I imagine you'll adore volume 1. MOS and vol. 1 aren't interchangeable. But the similarities speak for themselves, let's be real.
Quote from: Travesty on Wed, 30 Jun 2021, 14:58
Yeah, I have Superman and Green Lantern Earth One, but haven't gotten to them yet.
I heard Superman was terrible. So I guess I've heard mixed things? Maybe I'll get to that next....
You heard Superman Earth One was terrible from the same crowd that hates Snyder's Superman. I for one enjoyed all three volumes and believe it's the ideal modern interpretation of the character.
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Quote from: Travesty on Wed, 30 Jun 2021, 14:58
Yeah, I have Superman and Green Lantern Earth One, but haven't gotten to them yet.
I heard Superman was terrible. So I guess I've heard mixed things? Maybe I'll get to that next....
It's only rly volume 3 that bugged me. If you enjoy Snyder's Man Of Steel, I imagine you'll adore volume 1. MOS and vol. 1 aren't interchangeable. But the similarities speak for themselves, let's be real.
I've read six books under the Earth One titles: all three Superman stories, the first two Batman stories (not gonna bother with the third one, my opinion of Geoff Johns has soured too much to invest any time to read his work nowadays), and the first Wonder Woman by Grant Morrison.
I can comfortably say that Superman Earth One Vol. 1 is the best out of that whole lot. Anyone who is looking for a more introspective look at Clark Kent and Superman will definitely appreciate it.
The only Earth One book I recommend NOT to read is Wonder Woman: Earth One Vol. 1. It's an absolute waste of time. No real conflict, no villain. Just a boring story about Diana Prince at risk of getting exiled from Themyscira because she defied Amazon law, but nothing else is at stake. Disappointing.
I do want to read Green Lantern: Earth One, out of curiosity.
I'm convinced Gary Frank must've been inspired by this sketch of Batman that was drawn in Wizard Magazine twenty years ago. The idea for this sketch was inspired by the thought of DC having the equivalent of Marvel's Ultimates run.
If you look at the stitching on the cowl and the torso, as well as the enlarged utility belt, it's similar to how Batman was drawn in Earth One Vol. 1.
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