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I thought the site could do with some more threads so how about another poll?  This one is a bit morbid though.

What's your favourite death scene in the first two Batman films?  I haven't included any minor characters with no names (like some of the goons), or any characters whose death occurs off-screen (like Alicia Hunt or the late, lamented Fred Atkins  ;D).  I've also decided to avoid too much controversy by ruling out the inclusion of The Strong Man, since some say Batman kills, some say he doesn't, and it's debateable whether The Strong Man had a real bomb or a confetti bomb as some people have claimed (oh dear, I may have already broken the rule on not being controversial).

In any case, unless I'm persuaded otherwise those are the options.

Jokers death is my favorite, the entire sequence is great, the music is perfect, and the shot of his dead corpse is creepy.

I picked the fat clown because I always viewed him as an allegory for Burton's future critics.

"You know, some people are going to say that this film is too dark, what with the whole kidnapping sleeping kids thing."

"Yea, you're right. Let's put that in the script!"

Voted for "No....it's a LOT!"

Penguin's spitting black bile about drowning children up to their eyeballs in raw sewage. Someone doesn't share his enthusiasm, and they pay for it with their life.

Morbid humour and pitch black subject matter. Great scene.

shoulda put selina's 8 deaths as options. since they aren't its a toss up between penguin cause i hated him, ice princess cause i've role-played it a few times and its sort of fun, or max for obvious reasons.

Quote from: Catwoman on Sat,  3 Oct  2009, 03:36
shoulda put selina's 8 deaths as options. since they aren't its a toss up between penguin cause i hated him, ice princess cause i've role-played it a few times and its sort of fun, or max for obvious reasons.

So who will you vote for?  :)

I was considering voting for Riscorso's death simply 'cos I like how the Joker appears from out of nowhere to the complete astonishment of the crowd of journalists surrounding Riscorso and delivers that great line "Say hello to your Uncle Bingo, Vinnie.  It's time to sign the check" (I don't know what it means but it sure sounds cool, and made me laugh), before he thrusts a pen straight into Riscorso's carotid artery.  "The pen is truly mightier than the sword."  It's also the scene where The Joker makes his public debut.

However, in the end I voted for Grissom's death, simply for the brilliant confrontation between the two legendary Jacks, and Grissom's utterly desparate attempt to "cut a deal".  Yeah, right...as if that was going to happen.

In any case, I can't help but be seduced by the flair with which Jack's 'Joker' despatches his enemies.  It's so much fun even though it shouldn't be..    ;D

Quote from: Catwoman on Sat,  3 Oct  2009, 03:36
shoulda put selina's 8 deaths as options. since they aren't its a toss up between penguin cause i hated him, ice princess cause i've role-played it a few times and its sort of fun, or max for obvious reasons.

Also, I forgot to ask.  How do you role-play the Ice Princess' death?  Do you jump off the top of your roof and plunge straight on top of a set of tree lights?

Quote from: johnnygobbs on Sat,  3 Oct  2009, 04:08

Quote from: Catwoman on Sat,  3 Oct  2009, 03:36
shoulda put selina's 8 deaths as options. since they aren't its a toss up between penguin cause i hated him, ice princess cause i've role-played it a few times and its sort of fun, or max for obvious reasons.

Also, I forgot to ask.  How do you role-play the Ice Princess' death?  Do you jump off the top of your roof and plunge straight on top of a set of tree lights?

no i stand on the rail of our back porch and fall like five feet onto the ground. lights are a good idea.

easily the Joker.

and he says RATS with wings.

Its the newsreader/smylex infomercial thats just classic insane joker.

Definately, Thomas and Martha Wayne.

The whole scene in Batman 1989 involving their murders is quite excellent, and very haunting. The slightly slow motion aspect to it, everything. It just all worked brilliantly.

The Batman Begins version is ok, but I much favor Burton's direction on this.

Quote from: The Joker on Sat,  3 Oct  2009, 12:30
Definately, Thomas and Martha Wayne.

The whole scene in Batman 1989 involving their murders is quite excellent, and very haunting. The slightly slow motion aspect to it, everything. It just all worked brilliantly.

The Batman Begins version is ok, but I much favor Burton's direction on this.

Didnt notice this in the poll. If I had of I would have voted for that! Great scene and agreed much better than BB.

I picked the Joker's death for pretty much all the reasons others have mentioned.  The terrorizing situation it had to have been for him and also what had to have been excruciating pain from his muscles literally being shredded by the weight of that gargoyle hanging from his leg.  I like the whole "devil dragging him back down to hell" angle also. 

Loved the Joker's death as well, although alot of the other deaths are very memorable. I remember writing months ago about "the devil dragging him back to hell", I wonder if I was the first to say that.  ::)

...if so, I'm proud of it.  ;D ;D ;D

Cheers!

You are a vicious bastard, Rotelli, and uh...I'm glad you're dead. HEHEHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Quote from: James on Wed,  7 Oct  2009, 23:37
You are a vicious bastard, Rotelli, and uh...I'm glad you're dead. HEHEHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

That laugh is hilarious. Best Joker laugh ever, I think. I also like how he keeps saying "I'm glad you're dead" as if it's the funniest thing he's ever heard, and can't believe he conjured it himself.

finally voted for the ice princess since it became clear dumbass wasn't going to put up selina's 8.

Quote from: Catwoman on Thu,  8 Oct  2009, 04:08
finally voted for the ice princess since it became clear dumbass wasn't going to put up selina's 8.

Selina didn't die...duh!

Voted Shreck, I love that death, ever since I first saw it when I was like 3, I've alwsy loved it, great death

Quote from: johnnygobbs on Thu,  8 Oct  2009, 11:33

Quote from: Catwoman on Thu,  8 Oct  2009, 04:08
finally voted for the ice princess since it became clear dumbass wasn't going to put up selina's 8.

Selina didn't die...duh!

obviously SOMEONE wasn't paying attention.

Quote from: Catwoman on Thu,  8 Oct  2009, 11:49
obviously SOMEONE wasn't paying attention.

Yeah, you.  Or didn't youy watch the film to the end?    ;)

 >:(

Great pics silenig.  Sorry I didn't include the Strong Man in the poll, but there is some debate as to whether he was killed or not, particularly from the 'purists' who are of the opinion that Batman does not kill.

Any chance of some more pics of the various deaths listed?

I think it's a given the strong man was killed. I can't see the guy being scared to death of a confetti bomb. Neither can I imagine a confetti bomb making one yelp in agony after the explosion. I suppose we can turn off our mind and pretend he lived, though.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Fri,  9 Oct  2009, 00:21
I suppose we can turn off our mind and pretend he lived, though.

Yep, I'll just turn the little switch at the back of my head off.   ;D

Seriously though, I'm not the one who originally suggested it was a confetti bomb.  This was an opinion I'd read elsewhere.  I don't think anyone seriously cares whether the Strong Guy lived or died; simply, that Batman doesn't kill unless in self-defence.  Personally, I'm ambivalent on the matter.

Quote from: johnnygobbs on Fri,  9 Oct  2009, 00:31
Seriously though, I'm not the one who originally suggested it was a confetti bomb. 

I believe Burton brought up the confetti bomb idea on the Returns commentary.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Fri,  9 Oct  2009, 00:21
I suppose we can turn off our mind and pretend he lived, though.

i do that sometimes and say the ice princess lived.

Quote from: Catwoman on Fri,  9 Oct  2009, 01:47

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Fri,  9 Oct  2009, 00:21
I suppose we can turn off our mind and pretend he lived, though.

i do that sometimes and say the ice princess lived.

And how would that work exactly Catwoman?...LOL

"No.. it's a LOT!" Great scene, shows the morbious humor of The Penguin! ;D

QuoteRotelli - "Antoine got a little hot under the collar."
Becky the newsreader - "'Where can I get these fine new items?'  Well, that's the gag! Chances are you bought 'em already!"
The Ice Princess - "Rats with wings do your thing!"
Max Shreck - "But in the meantime, how 'bout a kiss, Anti-Claus?"
The Penguin - "But first I need a cool drink of ice water."

Fixed.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu, 15 Oct  2009, 05:56

QuoteRotelli - "Antoine got a little hot under the collar."
Becky the newsreader - "'Where can I get these fine new items?'  Well, that's the gag! Chances are you bought 'em already!"
The Ice Princess - "Rats with wings do your thing!"
Max Shreck - "But in the meantime, how 'bout a kiss, Anti-Claus?"
The Penguin - "But first I need a cool drink of ice water."

Fixed.

Ok, thanks Colors.  I originally got most of those quotes from online.  I guess my sources were inaccurate in some instances.  I've corrected them now.

My favourite would have to be the Penguin`s death because its sad, tragic and beatifual all at the same time. And despite what vile things you just witnessed the Penguin do you still feel sorry for him in his last moments. In addition for me this scene is what eleveated Penguin to the status of tragic villain imo.

My second favourite would have to be the death of the Waynes. Its haunting and sad, the Elfman music during this moment is perfect to and the slow quality to it with the mist to just adds to the scene. This imo is the best depication of the Wayne`s death in any Batman movie yes even inculding Begins which was done in a flash.

Quote from: Scarecrow756 on Thu, 15 Oct  2009, 13:33
My favourite would have to be the Penguin`s death because its sad, tragic and beatifual all at the same time. And despite what vile things you just witnessed the Penguin do you still feel sorry for him in his last moments. In addition for me this scene is what eleveated Penguin to the status of tragic villain imo.

ummmmmmm nope

Quote from: Scarecrow756 on Thu, 15 Oct  2009, 13:33
My favourite would have to be the Penguin`s death because its sad, tragic and beatifual all at the same time. And despite what vile things you just witnessed the Penguin do you still feel sorry for him in his last moments. In addition for me this scene is what eleveated Penguin to the status of tragic villain imo.

My second favourite would have to be the death of the Waynes. Its haunting and sad, the Elfman music during this moment is perfect to and the slow quality to it with the mist to just adds to the scene. This imo is the best depication of the Wayne`s death in any Batman movie yes even inculding Begins which was done in a flash.

I didn't feel bad for the Penguin one bit. He was evil all along, why would he have killed that cat when he was a baby (assuming he did) if he wasn't evil?

Quote from: Twisted_Soul on Mon, 19 Oct  2009, 08:38
I didn't feel bad for the Penguin one bit. He was evil all along, why would he have killed that cat when he was a baby (assuming he did) if he wasn't evil?

I feel a lot more sorry for The Penguin in comparison to The Joker, though.

yea the penguin was a genuine freak and the joker had to fall in some chemicals to get his freaky on. :P

I felt bad for The Penguin when he was an infant, even if he did kill the family cat, but as soon as he grew up and started plotting the murder of innocent children he lost my sympathy.

What I liked about The Joker was that he was pretty undiscerning.  He killed anyone and everyone without prejudice.  It wasn't personal for him, whereas The Penguin genuinely seemed to have an axe to grind and behaved like a pent-up bundle of rage and malice.

Quote from: Twisted_Soul on Mon, 19 Oct  2009, 08:38I didn't feel bad for the Penguin one bit. He was evil all along, why would he have killed that cat when he was a baby (assuming he did) if he wasn't evil?

You don't feel a little bit for someone who was rejected by his parents and dropped into the sewers and left to die?  Someone who's never known warm, genuine love and acceptance from anybody?

Harsh.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Tue, 20 Oct  2009, 17:13
You don't feel a little bit for someone who was rejected by his parents and dropped into the sewers and left to die?  Someone who's never known warm, genuine love and acceptance from anybody?

Harsh.

Indeed. The Penguin was a product of his environment.

if he was a real person yes i'd feel a little bit for him. he's a movie character so i don't. lol.

Quote from: Catwoman on Wed, 21 Oct  2009, 13:12
if he was a real person yes i'd feel a little bit for him. he's a movie character so i don't. lol.

True.  Within the context of a movie you can enjoy the luxury of really hating a character, whereas in real life anyone with a bit of humanity would investigate what made a certain person so mean to begin with.

yup. like you guys all think i'm a type 1 grade a bitch but you don't know why.

Quote from: Catwoman on Wed, 21 Oct  2009, 15:44
yup. like you guys all think i'm a type 1 grade a bitch but you don't know why.

Oh, I know why!

Your daddy didn't buy that pony when you turned sweet sixteen, right?

LOL LOL  ;D ;D ;D

among other things.

Quote from: johnnygobbs on Mon, 19 Oct  2009, 19:26
I felt bad for The Penguin when he was an infant, even if he did kill the family cat, but as soon as he grew up and started plotting the murder of innocent children he lost my sympathy.

When a person, or in this case a fictional character, plays the sympathy card (and that's exactly what Oswald did in Returns) to further position himself (which turned out to be political thanks to Max) to do great harm to a good number of people, yeah ... the sympathy aspect pretty much goes straight out the window!

Quote from: The Joker on Thu, 22 Oct  2009, 20:45
When a person, or in this case a fictional character, plays the sympathy card (and that's exactly what Oswald did in Returns) to further position himself (which turned out to be political thanks to Max) to do great harm to a good number of people, yeah ... the sympathy aspect pretty much goes straight out the window!

I'm not so sure. I can only speak for myself, but what other film can have a villain attempt to drown bubs up to their eye balls in raw sewage, and five minutes later have you feeling sorry for them?

I think the uncle bingo is the most memorable in the movie, as far as a death is concerned (maybe not as gruesome but definetely memorable). 

It had imagination, was simple, and was done in broad daylight for the whole world to see how messed up the joker was. 

"The pen is truly mightier than the sword."

Quote from: burtongenius on Sat,  2 Jan  2010, 21:32
I think the uncle bingo is the most memorable in the movie, as far as a death is concerned (maybe not as gruesome but definetely memorable). 

Nice to see someone else appreciated that scene.  I picked Grissom's death but I really liked the 'uncle bingo' sequence too.  A wonderful demonstration of The Joker's theatricality and a great line.

(Uncle Bingo) What is also great is Elfman's music for this scene.

Plus it was the opening act for the joker and gotham was its theatre.  This was gothams first view of the joker.

Plus, you got to love the miming.  I mean, thats just awesome.

the part i like about that scene is when bruce gets up by the joker's car while all the shooting is going on and the joker does that little gay wave, lol.

Yeah, the joker doesn't even know who he's really waving at.  Plus the makeup was unique too.

Poor Vinnie.  He didn't really get much time to come round to The Joker's point of view.

Even the Joker was shocked at how vicious Rottelli could be with knee jerk decisions.  ;D

I also particularly loved how annoyed Keaton looked with the Mime before the 'Uncle Bingo' assassination.  ;)

Quote from: The Joker on Mon,  4 Jan  2010, 14:18
I also particularly loved how annoyed Keaton looked with the Mime before the 'Uncle Bingo' assassination.  ;)

Yes, I love the little look of irritation on Keaton's face.  Don't we all feel the same way about mimes?   ;D

Keaton gave a glare that left the mime speechless. Oh, wait...

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Mon,  4 Jan  2010, 16:03
Keaton gave a glare that left the mime speechless. Oh, wait...

Very good  ;D

I voted for Grissom. I love how creepy the scene plays out with the joker being back lit. His anger growing for being set up... OVER A WOMAN! The reveal of his freakish face. And then Elfman's waltz starts playing as he shoots and shoots and shoots....


Ahh... what a scene...

That was an awesome scene just like every other in the movie, in fact whenever they show clips from Batman '89, especially concerning The Joker, whether it's an entertainment news program etc, I noticed they show that Joker emerging out of the dark clip alot, if not most times.

if the joker had an iconic scene, its that as he comes out of the dark.

Quote from: Catwoman on Wed, 27 Jan  2010, 14:35
if the joker had an iconic scene, its that as he comes out of the dark.

yeah that is awesome

Quote from: Catwoman on Wed, 27 Jan  2010, 14:35
if the joker had an iconic scene, its that as he comes out of the dark.

I agree.  It's his big reveal.

Love the Strongman?s detonation. A face of arrogance and supreme confidence washed away in one moment of fearful realization. Just standing there hopeless and expectant. Batman grins about his impending termination, ditches him into an open man hole and simply walks on as we hear the Strongman let out his dying yelp. Class.

What about the big joker goon in Gotham Cathedrals bell tower? he beats the hell out of a weakened Batman then gets completely outsmarted in one of the funniest deaths ever.

That payoff never fails to entertain.

Especially how the music swells as Batman grabs the goons head with his feet!

His head smashing against the bell gets me every time.

Just on that, characters do a lot of falling in the Burton Batman films.

A few offhand:

Napier into the vat of acid.
Joker goon jumping through Cathedral floor.
The African Thug down the bell shaft.
The Joker off the cathedral.
Max pushing Selina from the office.
Catwoman falling into the 'kitty litter'.
Batman falling off the roof after being shot at.
Ice Princess lighting the tree.
Catwoman falling into the glass house.
Penguin through the roof into the water.

characters fall in all the batman movies. even the new ones.

But more so in the Burton ones, I think.

I guess falling symbolizes the fall from power, evil schemes etc., brought down to where you belong.

Quote from: Grissom on Fri, 12 Feb  2010, 19:34
I guess falling symbolizes the fall from power, evil schemes etc., brought down to where you belong.

I think you're right - the literal 'fall from grace'.

so the ice princes's fall was fall from...what? her head being in the clouds? and clouds being in her head? lol.

Quote from: Catwoman on Fri, 12 Feb  2010, 19:48
so the ice princes's fall was fall from...what? her head being in the clouds? and clouds being in her head? lol.

It was meant to represent Batman's fall from grace, at least as far as the public were concerned.  In her case, there was also the added irony of her death 'successfully' activating the Christmas tree lights, a task she had apparently found difficult to get her head around whilst she was still alive...

good point. thanks for making me look stupid, asshole.

lol. :-*

Quote from: Catwoman on Fri, 12 Feb  2010, 21:54
good point. thanks for making me look stupid, asshole.

lol. :-*

Hey, you don't need me to make you look stupid... ;)

Seriously though, I thought you made a funny point and I was just giving my opinion.  I hardly think you look stupid just for stating your interpretation of certain scenes.

Quote from: johnnygobbs on Fri, 12 Feb  2010, 22:21

Hey, you don't need me to make you look stupid... ;)

DIE

Quote from: Grissom on Fri, 12 Feb  2010, 19:34
I guess falling symbolizes the fall from power, evil schemes etc., brought down to where you belong.

Good point. It applies to quite a few of them.

Quote from: johnnygobbs on Fri, 12 Feb  2010, 21:27
It was meant to represent Batman's fall from grace, at least as far as the public were concerned.  In her case, there was also the added irony of her death 'successfully' activating the Christmas tree lights, a task she had apparently found difficult to get her head around whilst she was still alive...

Falling to one's death is also one of the biggest cliches ever in the history of motion pictures, as we have indeed seen it transpire in numerous films over the years. With the Ice Princess being a walking cliche herself (narcissistic, attractive blonde with a low intelligence quotient), it's very fitting her death keeps within this narrative.

guess that means i'll fall to mine. :-\

Quote from: Catwoman on Sat, 13 Feb  2010, 14:32
guess that means i'll fall to mine. :-\

Only if you avoid unidentifiable dump truck's carrying kitty litter.

Quote from: Catwoman on Sat, 13 Feb  2010, 14:32
guess that means i'll fall to mine. :-\

Not unless I push you... ;)

Quote from: johnnygobbs on Sat, 13 Feb  2010, 17:49

Quote from: Catwoman on Sat, 13 Feb  2010, 14:32
guess that means i'll fall to mine. :-\

Not unless I push you... ;)

i'll take you with me. >:(

The Joker's death at the end of 89 is it for me for sure, truly iconic.