The jokers death, its always fascinated me. The way it was shot, and put together, i like the cheesy animation when he falls. does anyone have any screen captures of him falling or like any behind the scenes info on this scene?
I always feel sorry for The Joker during the cathedral sequence. Killing him was the only way to achieve that emotion for someone so callous, no matter how charismatic he was.
As for screen captures of the scene, check the gallery here. If there's nothing there, you're free to upload your own.
I have this screen capture I got from my DVD recently, hope this helps !(http://[[img])
thanks for the screen capture man, i love that scene :) i appreciate it.
I used to recreat this scene with my action figures when i was 4 years old.
thanks again
I always loved the scene where the Joker gets killed. His fall has such an unnatural look to it that it's kind of creepy to me. 8)
Quote from: cementman on Mon, 31 Aug 2009, 19:14
thanks for the screen capture man, i love that scene :) i appreciate it.
I used to recreat this scene with my action figures when i was 4 years old.
thanks again
Your welcome :)
You know, I don't see anything wrong with the 'cheesy animation'. I certainly wouldn't be changing or altering the original film, that's for sure.
i know man, it was a very good ending.
I liked it as well. The whole build up to it was also great.
I just love the way this scene looks.
Here is the joker's death in the video game.
(https://www.batman-online.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg228.imageshack.us%2Fimg228%2F3627%2Fbatman1smd08.jpg&hash=3d47017fcb37b384c2425f976614ff1e6c6891f0)
Thanks for that video game screen capture, never seen it before.
I love the music that plays during Joker's death. Especially when he's slipping down the ladder and about to let go. Elfman builds this great sense of tension, dread and finality. When he falls, the weight lifts and it's just pure relief. Incredible.
I loved his death, it was as if he was being pulled back to hell where he came from instead of just simply falling. Brilliant old school filmmaking.
Quote from: silenig on Tue, 1 Sep 2009, 14:37
I just love the way this scene looks.
Here is the joker's death in the video game.
(https://www.batman-online.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg228.imageshack.us%2Fimg228%2F3627%2Fbatman1smd08.jpg&hash=3d47017fcb37b384c2425f976614ff1e6c6891f0)
That's from the Sega Genesis version right? I got to pick that up! It looks sweet.
i agree, great music and built up tension. it is like hes falling back to hell where he came from. awesome scene :)
I wonder what was going through Joker's mind during that fall?
i don't think that's a sega image - which game is that?
what i love about the joker's fall is how he slips from one rung on the ladder to the one below it - great shot of his hand going from one to the next
Quote from: WingedFreak71 on Wed, 2 Sep 2009, 02:48
what i love about the joker's fall is how he slips from one rung on the ladder to the one below it - great shot of his hand going from one to the next
Yes. It makes it much more tense and unavoidable. After he slips down one ladder bar, we know for certain he is going to fall any moment. Wonderfully drawn out, and we get to see Joker squirm. In my opinion, falling from that cathedral like Joker would be the worst way to die. It's seriously messed up. No way of escaping at all.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 2 Sep 2009, 03:57
Quote from: WingedFreak71 on Wed, 2 Sep 2009, 02:48
what i love about the joker's fall is how he slips from one rung on the ladder to the one below it - great shot of his hand going from one to the next
Yes. It makes it much more tense and unavoidable. After he slips down one ladder bar, we know for certain he is going to fall any moment. Wonderfully drawn out, and we get to see Joker squirm. In my opinion, falling from that cathedral like Joker would be the worst way to die. It's seriously messed up. No way of escaping at all.
Agreed. I always get that nervous feeling when I see his hands slip to the last rung. That would suck!
Also: I checked and that screencap from the video game is the Genesis version. Here's a youtube video of it in motion (after the 3:39 mark) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7yilUQKiGE&feature=related
Yeah, this video game by Sunsoft was nicely done and very fun to play. One of the good early Sega titles.
heh! Speaking of video games.. I recently played through the old 1989 BATMAN arcade game and beat it. I took some screen caps but im not sure if i stored them when my drive failed. :-\ If I find them, I'll give a full review. It was corny but really fun at the same time.
BTW, I LOVE that strange animated JoKER death. I always thought it looked the way it did on purpose, stylistically and I definitely appreciated it. :)
It was actually a miniature Joker used in that scene
Check it out at the bottom of the page link here (http://www.propstore.com/products.htm?movieIdForm=20&productsKeywordSearchform=&pageNum=1&show_all_items_form=&isSubmitSearch=0&productCategoryIdForm=0&categoryIdForm=0&genreIdForm=0&productsSortType=0&recordsPerPage=50&isArchive=1&isNewAdditions=0)
[edited link - ral]
Pretty cool find there. I always knew there was a minature used in some of the final scenes. However the screenshot on the previous page appears to be Nicholsons head superimposed on the animation.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 2 Sep 2009, 01:42
I wonder what was going through Joker's mind during that fall?
"Did I remember to feed the hyenas? Wow this cathedral is tall. I wonder how many gargoyles they have on this particular side of the building? Boy this fall is taking forever. I'm starting to get really bored. Here comes the ground, I wonder if it will be my friend. Hello groun-*"
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 2 Sep 2009, 01:42I wonder what was going through Joker's mind during that fall?
He was probably thinking of what Bruce told him at Vicki's apartment-- "He was the kind of guy who couldn't hear the train until it was two feet in front of him."
Quote from: PJ on Wed, 2 Sep 2009, 18:29
It was actually a miniature Joker used in that scene
Check it out at the bottom of the page link here (http://www.propstore.com/products.htm?movieIdForm=20&productsKeywordSearchform=&pageNum=1&show_all_items_form=&isSubmitSearch=0&productCategoryIdForm=0&categoryIdForm=0&genreIdForm=0&productsSortType=0&recordsPerPage=50&isArchive=1&isNewAdditions=0)
[edited link - ral]
Good find there! Interesting how they sold Vicki's blue dress. I've always wanted see one of my lovely dates wear it. ;D
I always liked the white ballroom dress that Vicki wore at Bruce Wayne's benefit, but most people tend to think it was a little OTT (which I suppose it was). Still, Basinger looked very attractive in it.
This one http://www.screenused.com/index.cfm?sectionID=item-detail&subsectionID=item-description.cfm&item_id=3755
Run a search here to see it properly http://www.screenused.com
Quote from: PJ on Thu, 3 Sep 2009, 10:48
This one http://www.screenused.com/index.cfm?sectionID=item-detail&subsectionID=item-description.cfm&item_id=3755
Run a search here to see it properly http://www.screenused.com
Nice one PJ! Bit out of price range though. ;D
Even better, if you scroll through the various Batman films you get some nice screencaps to accompany the various items. Once again, great find PJ.
Quote from: gordonblu on Thu, 3 Sep 2009, 01:55
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Wed, 2 Sep 2009, 01:42
I wonder what was going through Joker's mind during that fall?
"Did I remember to feed the hyenas? Wow this cathedral is tall. I wonder how many gargoyles they have on this particular side of the building? Boy this fall is taking forever. I'm starting to get really bored. Here comes the ground, I wonder if it will be my friend. Hello groun-*"
Ha.
I think the guy probably died of shock half way down.
I'd think he was thinking about activating the "Bag of Laughs" in his pocket, as his last laugh.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Thu, 3 Sep 2009, 15:32I think the guy probably died of shock half way down.
They say that happens in a long plunge. The victim goes into cardiac arrest and is probably unconscious by the time he lands. That's what "the experts" say.
And I'm willing to take their word for it, myself...
Quote from: Twisted_Soul on Thu, 3 Sep 2009, 18:07
I'd think he was thinking about activating the "Bag of Laughs" in his pocket, as his last laugh.
Eh. I can't see an absolutely frightened man plummeting to his death calmly activating a bag of laughs. I think that was activated itself due to the impact.
Maybe the 'Bag of Laughs' was set by a timer.
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Fri, 4 Sep 2009, 01:11
Maybe the 'Bag of Laughs' was set by a timer.
I don't buy that either. Just like I don't buy the fake blood/green blood argument.
He would've had to activate it before he started the ladder climb, and doing so then would've been pointless. He had no idea he'd be falling to the bottom to his death. He was focused on boarding the helicopter and getting out of there.
The bag of laughs was just an effective and haunting prop, with his toys laughing on after death for him. I don't think it needs an explanation.
Maybe this "bag o' laughs" is one of those things that don't need an explanation of this kind. It simply was a nice touch and made the Joker's end haunting.
I kinda liked The Joker's death.... but the animation was cheesey ::) and man, it's The Joker... he can't die!!
But the scene has a tense and iconic atmosphere.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Fri, 4 Sep 2009, 07:26
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Fri, 4 Sep 2009, 01:11
Maybe the 'Bag of Laughs' was set by a timer.
I don't buy that either. Just like I don't buy the fake blood/green blood argument.
He would've had to activate it before he started the ladder climb, and doing so then would've been pointless. He had no idea he'd be falling to the bottom to his death. He was focused on boarding the helicopter and getting out of there.
The bag of laughs was just an effective and haunting prop, with his toys laughing on after death for him. I don't think it needs an explanation.
You're right, I agree.
Quote from: GuedesGothamKnight on Fri, 4 Sep 2009, 17:09
and man, it's The Joker... he can't die!!
He just did. ;)
if people die on the way down during a plunge then how does bungee jumping exists?
joker was alert, activating his laugh thing, and pondering which goon to promote now that bob was out of the picture
Quote from: WingedFreak71 on Sat, 5 Sep 2009, 08:01
if people die on the way down during a plunge then how does bungee jumping exists?
Are you for real?
Bungee jumpers know that they're not going to die, due to being harnessed. When you're falling from a cathedral with a gargoyle tied to your leg, things are way different. You'd be in deep shock in that scenario.
Quote from: WingedFreak71 on Sat, 5 Sep 2009, 08:01
if people die on the way down during a plunge then how does bungee jumping exists?
joker was alert, activating his laugh thing, and pondering which goon to promote now that bob was out of the picture
Are you for real??? Whats the average age of this forum? 12?
The bag obviously was activated by the impact when his body hit the pavement!
As for the Jokers death in Batman. As much as I liked the Joker character it was the right thing to do. I have no problems with it. The ending was perfect and well shot. One of my favourite parts of Batman is the climax. I dont buy this 'Joker shouldnt have died' rubbish. Its a film, with a start middle and end. the way a film should be. This is one of the reasons Batman is one of my favourite films as well as my favourite bat film.
Love the shot of the Joker laying on the cathedral steps, still smiling while the laughing bag is laughing.
Exactly. Well said Joker81. The Batman comic's have such a wealth of villains so it's not as if Burton and co would ever have needed to bring the Joker back as an antagonist even if they had stayed on for several more sequels.
Like you Batman is one of my favourite films because it is a strong self-contained story, that at times reaches almost operatic heights. Regardless of whatever the producers' intentions may have been, the film is not merely a set-up for a franchise; it exists on its own terms, and therefore the decision to kill off the Joker made sense (it provided a sense of finality to the story).
On a similar matter, the self-contained nature of the first Burton Batman film lets the filmmakers get away with the conceit of having Joker as the murderer of Wayne's parents. It doesn't matter that Bruce Wayne has fulfilled his mission to avenge his parents' death by the end of the movie since Returns is essentially treated as a separate film rather than a direct continuation of its predocessor. By contrast Nolan's Batman series is clearly designed as the basis of a franchise in which the various films compliment each other as an ongoing story.
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Are you for real??? Whats the average age of this forum? 12?
The bag obviously was activated by the impact when his body hit the pavement!
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yes i'm for real - i totally have the truth on what some fictional character in a movie was doing and thinking as he fell off of a cathedral
Hey guys, let's try to keep this site friendly and free from personal insults, name-calling or blatant condescension or sarcasm.
These two movies wouldn't be the same if the Joker was caught by the police or the Penguin survived and was incarcerated at a refridgerator in Arkham. I like their self-contained nature, and for me the best finales are those when the villain dies, they have more impact.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat, 5 Sep 2009, 08:09Are you for real?
Bungee jumpers know that they're not going to die, due to being harnessed. When you're falling from a cathedral with a gargoyle tied to your leg, things are way different. You'd be in deep shock in that scenario.
That and however exhilarating bungee jumping might be, I don't think you bungee jump the equivalent of 112 stories before snapping back into place.
Yoda- "Yes, yes, to TDK you listen."
i ONLY bungee 112 stories and higher
sometimes i tie a gargoyle to myself for added fun
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Sun, 6 Sep 2009, 03:11
Yoda- "Yes, yes, to TDK you listen."
Correct. My word is the gospel.
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Sat, 5 Sep 2009, 13:12
Exactly. Well said Joker81. The Batman comic's have such a wealth of villains so it's not as if Burton and co would ever have needed to bring the Joker back as an antagonist even if they had stayed on for several more sequels.
Like you Batman is one of my favourite films because it is a strong self-contained story, that at times reaches almost operatic heights. Regardless of whatever the producers' intentions may have been, the film is not merely a set-up for a franchise; it exists on its own terms, and therefore the decision to kill off the Joker made sense (it provided a sense of finality to the story).
On a similar matter, the self-contained nature of the first Burton Batman film lets the filmmakers get away with the conceit of having Joker as the murderer of Wayne's parents. It doesn't matter that Bruce Wayne has fulfilled his mission to avenge his parents' death by the end of the movie since Returns is essentially treated as a separate film rather than a direct continuation of its predocessor. By contrast Nolan's Batman series is clearly designed as the basis of a franchise in which the various films compliment each other as an ongoing story.
Thanks Jonnygobbs.
And you mentioned the Waynes murders, is this the same as the artistic decision that Nolan took in distorting the Jokers and two faces' origin in The Dark Knight?
Not that I want to start an argument, just I hate the critsism Batman gets for the Joker dying (when that was the original idea for batman no.1) and the Wayne murders (even tho Bob Kane endorsed the idea of Napier killing the Waynes) when TDK took, IMO took worse measures to tell a story regarding the origin of the two villians, Rachel Dawes and Bruce Wayne living in a penthouse etc.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Sun, 6 Sep 2009, 03:11
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat, 5 Sep 2009, 08:09Are you for real?
Bungee jumpers know that they're not going to die, due to being harnessed. When you're falling from a cathedral with a gargoyle tied to your leg, things are way different. You'd be in deep shock in that scenario.
That and however exhilarating bungee jumping might be, I don't think you bungee jump the equivalent of 112 stories before snapping back into place.
Yoda- "Yes, yes, to TDK you listen."
That 'why so socialist' poster bugs me. Yet another reason for taking issue with the 'new' Batman franchise. I always figured that the die-hard Nolanites were closet-Republicans. Guess I was right. ::)
I always hate it when the iconography of the Batman movies mixes with politics. I'd say this poster looks a bit like like Alfred Newman.
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Sun, 6 Sep 2009, 14:14That 'why so socialist' poster bugs me. Yet another reason for taking issue with the 'new' Batman franchise. I always figured that the die-hard Nolanites were closet-Republicans. Guess I was right.
What do you mean? I love TDK and I feel like I've been relatively open about that. The poster is strictly an indictment of St. Hopenchange. Lighten up.
Quote from: silenig on Sun, 6 Sep 2009, 21:58
I always hate it when the iconography of the Batman movies mixes with politics. I'd say this poster looks a bit like like Alfred Newman.
Haha, that's what I thought as well. Don't care for it though, but that's because I'm a die-hard Obamaite. Anyway, back to Joker's Death....
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Sun, 6 Sep 2009, 22:44
What do you mean? I love TDK and I feel like I've been relatively open about that. The poster is strictly an indictment of St. Hopenchange. Lighten up.
I love TDK as well. I wasn't having a go so much at the Nolan films as I was Republicans, but I do get the impression that some of the die-hard Nolanites on other Batman-movie related sites I could mention have a Republican way about them.
In any case my digs weren't directed at you colorsblend, whether you are a Republican or not. So I hope I didn't cause you any personal offence. They were merely an off-the-cuff observation.
PS: What's wrong with hope and change?
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Mon, 7 Sep 2009, 00:06I love TDK as well.
Oh yeah, and when it comes to Burton's films or Nolan's... c'mon, I'm on this site. Political junk aside, I'm Burton's man through and through.
QuoteI wasn't having a go so much at the Nolan films as I was Republicans, but I do get the impression that some of the die-hard Nolanites on other Batman-movie related sites I could mention have a Republican way about them.
Honestly, I can't say I've noticed that.
QuoteIn any case my digs weren't directed at you colorsblend, whether you are a Republican or not.
I'm a conservative... which sometimes means being a Republican.
QuotePS: What's wrong with hope and change?
This probably isn't the thread for that kinda stuff. No offense.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Mon, 7 Sep 2009, 00:14
Quote from: johnnygobbs on Mon, 7 Sep 2009, 00:06
QuotePS: What's wrong with hope and change?
This probably isn't the thread for that kinda stuff. No offense.
Then why the bumper sticker? You should take your own advice.
WHY SO SOCIALIST?
Yeah, because imagine if we had public schools, social security, medicare, had to pay taxes, and if W. (a conservative Republican) had signed a bill giving over $700 billion of tax payers' money to the Nation's banks.
You can obviously tell which side of the spectrum I'm on but seriously, expect to get responses like this. We should all have a 'don't go there' policy regarding politics here. If we don't, then it's a great way to turn friends into enemies on what is (for the most part) a pretty friendly site.
Quote from: batass4880 on Mon, 7 Sep 2009, 05:19Then why the bumper sticker? You should take your own advice.
Because I can put anything in my sig I want. Because I didn't ask for your approval. Because I don't need your approval. Because if someone really wants to go into this, we've got an Off Topic section.
QuoteYeah, because imagine if we had public schools,
Yeah, how's that going?
Quotesocial security, medicare,
Ibid.
Quotehad to pay taxes,
If it was only about money, the tax bracket into which I fall would make it expedient to vote Democrat every time out.
Quoteconservative Republican
Well, you're half-right anyway.
Quoteand if W. (a conservative Republican) had signed a bill giving over $700 billion of tax payers' money to the Nation's banks.
If... what? Is there a question in there somewhere?
QuoteYou can obviously tell which side of the spectrum I'm on but seriously, expect to get responses like this. We should all have a 'don't go there' policy regarding politics here. If we don't, then it's a great way to turn friends into enemies on what is (for the most part) a pretty friendly site.
And yet that didn't keep you from shooting your mouth off, did it?
The sig stays.
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Mon, 7 Sep 2009, 06:52
Quote from: batass4880 on Mon, 7 Sep 2009, 05:19Then why the bumper sticker? You should take your own advice.
QuoteYou can obviously tell which side of the spectrum I'm on but seriously, expect to get responses like this. We should all have a 'don't go there' policy regarding politics here. If we don't, then it's a great way to turn friends into enemies on what is (for the most part) a pretty friendly site.
And yet that didn't keep you from shooting your mouth off, did it?
I apologize. I was just trying to make a point that nobody wants to hear other people's politics on a non-political site.
And again, that didn't stop you from shooting your mouth, did it?
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Mon, 7 Sep 2009, 06:52
The sig stays.
Yes it does. Colors, or anybody else on this site can put whatever they please in their signature space. I think that's as far as the conversation goes here. But by all means, thrash it out elsewhere.
Quote from: batass4880 on Mon, 7 Sep 2009, 07:13
I apologize. I was just trying to make a point that nobody wants to hear other people's politics on a non-political site.
Agreed 100%.
I agree and I'm sorry if I'm partly responsible for letting the topic degenerate into a political debate, but it does have to be said that the sig is by its very nature 'political'. I doubt you would get many Obama supporters using the same tag.
Just getting this back on topic.
Quote from: Joker81 on Sun, 6 Sep 2009, 13:13
I hate the critsism Batman gets for the Joker dying (when that was the original idea for batman no.1) and the Wayne murders (even tho Bob Kane endorsed the idea of Napier killing the Waynes)
Solid point.
Batman (1989)
was endorsed by Bob Kane himself. The Joker being Bruce Wayne's parents killer, the lot. I recall he said that's how he would have done things as well if he had the chance again.
The Joker
was going to be killed off in his second appearance, but was spared at the last minute so that he could be used in other comics. Batman (1989) followed through with the idea.
So, actually, Batman (1989) is
more faithful in tone to the original concept of the early comics.
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Tue, 15 Sep 2009, 10:37
Just getting this back on topic.
Quote from: Joker81 on Sun, 6 Sep 2009, 13:13
I hate the critsism Batman gets for the Joker dying (when that was the original idea for batman no.1) and the Wayne murders (even tho Bob Kane endorsed the idea of Napier killing the Waynes)
Solid point.
Batman (1989) was endorsed by Bob Kane himself. The Joker being Bruce Wayne's parents killer, the lot. I recall he said that's how he would have done things as well if he had the chance again.
The Joker was going to be killed off in his second appearance, but was spared at the last minute so that he could be used in other comics. Batman (1989) followed through with the idea.
So, actually, Batman (1989) is more faithful in tone to the original concept of the early comics.
I totally agree with you there! I was flicking through my Batman Chronicles no. 1 this morning, and when the Joker dies Robin says "Look at him, grinning in death just as in life" or something to that effect. Just like in the film, his smile remains.
Agreed, Dark Knight. It just seems so fitting that Jack Napier was the murderer of the Waynes, almost a Greek tragedy. Evolving into Bruce becoming Batman and then facing Napier again as a more demented and dangerous Joker. Bob Kane did say if he could have done it over, he would have made Napier the killer of the Waynes. I never had a problem with it in the film, never had a problem years later when I found out it was supposedly a thug named Joe Chill and I will never have a problem with it. It worked perfectly in the film and I wouldn't change it.
Yeah, for me the film Batman is just one story in the whole Batman Universe. It makes sense to me because it seems complete. I dont need anything more from that movie. It has a start middle and an end. Thats what I like about it in Theatrical terms, being a Batman fan AND a film fan. It makes sense to me.
It just so happens that this particular film made me more of a bat-fan than any comic ever would, or any other bat-film would. I hold it in high regard and it is the reason I am a bat-fan.
Quote from: Joker81 on Tue, 15 Sep 2009, 15:31
Yeah, for me the film Batman is just one story in the whole Batman Universe. It makes sense to me because it seems complete. I dont need anything more from that movie. It has a start middle and an end. Thats what I like about it in Theatrical terms, being a Batman fan AND a film fan. It makes sense to me.
It just so happens that this particular film made me more of a bat-fan than any comic ever would, or any other bat-film would. I hold it in high regard and it is the reason I am a bat-fan.
I agree with every word written here. :)